Who do you like? Andrew Luck or RG III?

Question

I know the NFL draft is not for another 2 months. I know people have already said the Colts will take Andrew Luck and that's probably true.

Lets put that aside for a moment. Imagine yourself as an NFL GM and you have the first pick in the draft. Just for a moment think about who YOU would pick. First you have

RG III - everyone on here knows his stats last season. He had the kind of year most qb's dream of. Countless td passes, very few interceptions, a great completion percentage,a fantastic ypc average. And a great runner to boot. Also an Olympic caliber athlete. Great character guy every Big XII fan knows he graduated in 3 years, wants to go to law school. How can you not like him?

Andrew Luck - another TX qb from the class of 2008 that UT missed on. A great passer in his own right. Has a little more experience than RG III in taking snaps directly under center. RG didn't do this at BU. He will have to learn it in the league. However we in the Big XII know he's smart enough to do it. But getting back to Luck he to had a season that most qb's dream of. Great completion percentage. Great in the short to medium passing game. Like RG III a great leader. Two stories about Andrew Luck. When he was a junior he had a couple of plays I don't think I'll ever forget. Against USC that year, SU fumbled the ball. An SC def. players scooped up the ball and started running towards the end zone. Andrew Luck knocked the stone cold hell out of the guy. That guy fumbled and SU recovered. On another play that year against Cal he ran the ball and came upon some Cal player and literally ran over him. I mean ran over him in Earl Campbell style. Does anyone on here remember seeing that on tv? IMO that's a leader. Who wouldn't want him as their qb, their leader? Like RG III a great student. Will graduate this spring. Did it in 4 years. He is majoring in something called architectural design. Don't know what it means, sounds very intellectual Sounds like something you have to go to some place like Stanford to major in

So there you have it. This is just for fun. Who would you take?

I'm a Big XII guy so I'm biased. I'd go with RG III.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by califo...horn 4.

Answer 1

I like both. But I'd take Luck, without much debate. Especially if I am Indy. He is more ready and would fit their current personnel/offense without some great change. That seems to be the consensus. But I do think whomever gets RG3 will be really happy as well.

After those two, the QB class drops way off. But I'd take those two over guys like Ponder, Gabbert, and Locker....all recent early QB picks.


If I was writing the NFL script:

-I'd have Indy take Luck #1.

-Have Washington trade up to #2 get RG3 (not a Wash fan just like his fit there).

-Have Peyton sign with Arizona (for Fitz and their O/Wisenhunt is open to change the O as he did from Ben in Pitt to Leinart to Warner to Kolb).

-Have Cleveland take RB Trent Richardson and whatever WR they can get with next pick (they need firepower and you give Colt one more shot with some weapons and a quality backup).

-I'd have Flynn sign in Miami to become GB south.

-And Seattle and Carroll could take Tannehill or Osweiler from AZ ST (he's like a 6'8" QB) or some QB with a 2nd or 3rd or 4th round pick and sign a vet QB to compete send Tavaris to bench.

-Houston should take Kendall Wright or Alshon Jeffery or best WR avail in first round. And then go stout with DBs and OL picks.

-Dallas should find someone to lock Jerrah up for draft week and let some real scouts do the picking.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by TEXASwinsYOUlose.

Answer 2

RG III

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by blh111.

Answer 3

Luck without a doubt.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by BayouCityHorn.

Answer 4

Luck...

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by madcow12.

Answer 5

RG III

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by airboss.

Answer 6

RG III. More dynamic in my opinion.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by PearlandHorn.

Answer 7

My first inclination is to say RG III, and agree with the more dynamic, and explosive statements. But, when you look at the elite NFL QB's right now, none of them are the dynamic type player. So, Luck for me.

However, if I'm choosing one of these guys to QB my college football team, it's RG hands down, no question!! Personally, I hope RG breaks the stereotype and becomes an elite and hall of fame QB, and who knows, maybe Cam Newton is already on his way to doing that.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by T'dale.

Answer 8

Luck hands down. QB's running around taking hits don't play as many games. Just ask Michael Vick.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by ThemBones24.

Answer 9

"QB's running around taking hits don't play as many games. Just ask Michael Vick."

Griffin doesn't run around taking hits like Vick. You can say ask Vick, I say what about ask Cam Newton. You may think Cam is only one player, well Vick is only one player. But regardless of all that, Griffin has never been quick to run the ball. So it doesn't matter what Vick does. But I'd hold off on the hands down comment. Too many hands down bust out there.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by blh111.

Answer 10

Luck seems more like the sure thing, but I honestly think RGIII's ceiling is higher. I like them both, but I think RGIII will end with the better career.

I second blh's comments on QB's running around. RGIII doesn't rely on his legs as much as Vick.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Tate17.

Answer 11

"Luck seems more like the sure thing, but I honestly think RGIII's ceiling is higher. I like them both, but I think RGIII will end with the better career."

I think this is how most people view it. And teams usually go with the safe pick.

This post was edited on 2/17 9:32 AM by blh111

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by blh111.

Answer 12

Good stuff. I'm on your side that it's an easy choice to take Luck over Griffin. I guess there is no such thing as a can't miss player, but Luck is about as close as it gets. There are zero negatives about him. He has the big arm and great size. Not many people talk about his athleticism, but he's not stiff in the pocket. He runs very well. He's highly intelligent and he should have no problem picking up NFL offenses as that's what Stanford has been running while he's been there. His father also played QB in the NFL. Easy choice to go with Luck.

Some people here may disagree but I would say RGIII is a project as a high draft pick. He played in a Briles offense which is not similar to the NFL. He's had injury issues and his style leads him to take a lot of big hits. I was extremely impressed with Griffin with some of the tremendous hits he took this year, but he didn't go down. A big part of his game is his running ability, but I question his ability to do much of this at his size. Personally, I think it's a huge risk for any team to invest so much in him by taking him as a top 5 pick.

You mentioned the Texans pick. I also think they need to go WR with the first pick. There are only three WR's that might be available at their draft position that I would rank as follows:

1. Michael Floyd - Doubtful he makes it past the top 15 especially if he puts up a good time at the combine but he would be choice #1

2. Kendall Wright - The only concern is that he played in a Briles offense. His ability to return kicks and punts would be a plus for the Texans as they need to improve here as well.

3. Reuben Randall - He's not a 1st rounder at this point but some think his speed and size will impress at the combine.

* Alshon Jeffrey - No way I take him in the 1st. Rumor is he's 250 with a big gut and he's dieting like crazy to try and get his wait down. Also a rumor that he'll run a 4.8 at the combine. Sounds like another Mike Williams

If none of these guys aren't available and the Texans can't move up to grab them a surprise 1st rounder might by TE Coby Fleener of Stanford. Gary Kubiak has often viewed the TE position as WR2. Innovative TE sets are also trending in the NFL. Fleener has great size 6'6, 245 and great route running, jumping ability, and ball skills. His speed is average.

If the Texans don't get any of these receiving threats, they could select the following players at different positions.

Dontari Poe - 350 Nose Tackle, quick for his size, and gets to the QB. Great 3-4 NT

Peter Konz - Center, Wisconsin. If the Texans aren't able to resign Chris Meyers, they might go after the top Center in the draft.

Mark Barron - SS, Alabama. Not an ideal fit, but more help for the secondary.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Pearland Sooner.

Answer 13

I figured someone would start bringing up Cam. Give it time. It's still early to assume he's going to have the same upside career as Peyton Manning, Brady, or Brees. Nothing's a given, but Luck is the most pro ready QB coming out of college since well...Peyton Manning ironically. Standford even runs a pro style offense.

This post was edited on 2/17 10:51 AM by ThemBones24

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by ThemBones24.

Answer 14

The safe choice is Luck. GM won't get fired if he turns out to be a bust. But look at what RGIII did for Baylor. Has there EVER been a leader like him? A guy that inspires confidence like he did? Great arm strength, speed. 2 knocks - (a) several times he got killed on hits - always got up, but looked woozy. The guys in the NFL are bigger and faster - he must learn to slide. (b) standing next to Luck at the Heisman ceremony - there is no way he is only 2 inches shorter. Will like to see his official height at the combine.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by diadevic.

Answer 15

Good points. When OU played Baylor this year I was won over by Griffin. He took some tremendous hits early. Hits that might put some QB's on the sidelines. Like you said, he looked woozy. But he never went out and stayed in there and performed like a superstar at the end. But I was also thinking at the time, that he just can't let himself take hits like that.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Pearland Sooner.

Answer 16

I'd take either one in a heartbeat if I'm a GM. Win/win decision.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Scholz.

Answer 17

It is a quasi pro-style offense. It relies on the TE and HB much, much more than a true pro-style offense. The reads are much, much simpler as well.

Also, your post rejects what I see the most valid argument against throwing RGIII in the same category as Michael Vick (or Cam Newton for that matter). Griffin isn't quick to run. He will take off and pick up a few yards occasionally, but he is more of an Aaron Rodgers style of runner than a sometimes quick to take off Michael Vick.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Tate17.

Answer 18

Most of the big hits he took that I saw were from pass rushers (inside or outside of the pocket). Your second point is going to be one of his biggest knocks IMO. He is probably closer to 6'1 than 6'2. It will be interesting to see what he measures. His weight looks more inflated than his height though. He looks closer to 210 than 220 IMO.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Tate17.

Answer 19

Reading is fundamental fella. You were waiting on somebody to say it so you jumped the gun like a virgin boy. Thing is, I never said it. I made a point to say maybe he wouldn't get hurt like Vick(because that was the point being made by someone else), maybe he could last the season like Cam did, for the simple fact that RG III isn't quick to run. That doesn't have anything to do with upside or anything else you mentioned.

This post was edited on 2/17 11:55 AM by blh111

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by blh111.

Answer 20

I agree somewhat. It's gonna come down to who can make the reads, get rid of the ball the quickest, and avoid the most hits. I favor Luck in all three categories...plus he's a bigger guy and will probably play in a system close to what he played in college. It's a no-brainer to take Luck over RG III in my opinion. I agree that RG III isn't as quick like Vick to run and more in the mold of Cam. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying RG III is an automatic bust. The toipc was who do you like (more I assume) Luck or RG III.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by ThemBones24.

Answer 21

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by TEXASwinsYOUlose.

Answer 22

RGIII decimated an Akina defnsive backfield. that syas all I need to know.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by 86Horn.

Answer 23

I know this may come as a shock to most here but I am no expert by any means, but I am not totally sold on Luck. I think his arm is average and I think he will throw alot of picks. The last couple of games of the season he played some better competition and his stats went down, as they should. When he was pressured he threw picks. I am not going to say he will be a bad qb but saying he is the best to come out in forever is a stretch in my opinion. I like RG III better.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe.

Answer 24

You've got to consider what he's working with though, I imagine it's inferior to the other big dogs in the PAC.

I think Luck is the safer choice and would be my pick. I think it also helps that Luck is a good athlete all around, hes no statue like ryan mallet. I like RG a lot, he throws a really nice deep ball and is an amazing athlete. I think he will do well. I will enjoy watching griffin play in the nfl. I am curious how griffin will transition from Briles offense to an nfl offense, hopefully the team he goes to will mold the offense around him. Plus he's pretty damn smart, so I imagine he can handle it.

If Cleveland thinks picking him up will magically turn that garbage heap of offensive weapons they have into good players, they've got another thing coming.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by HoustonLonghorn.

Answer 25

Luck, but think that RG3 will have a great NFL career as well. Just like that Luck is more of a pro style passer, and more ready to lead NFL team now.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by icdb17.