Morris: Marshall Sitting Pretty

Question

02/19/12

Link: GREGG MARSHALL

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by chucktowncock.

Answer 1

interesting, we could top what WSU is paying him a lot more easily than i thought...today. It gets $125K harder every year, though. Some other program is going to be doing that math as well, and realizing the time to strike is now. Marshall's next job is going to price him completely our of our range.

DO IT NOW, ERIC HYMAN

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by CaliCock.

Answer 2

Leave it up to Ron Morris to use his position to write false information to SC fans. "The other is Marshall might have a better job at Wichita State" That is a quote from that article and its only his (Ron Morris's) opinion. Not a fact. This shows you exactly what Ron Morris thinks about SC.

Yes we can be a contender. Yes we have a strong fanbase for basketball and in all 3 major men's sports. Yes we have great leadership. Yes we have great facilities. And yes we should pay a basketball coach great compensation.

He is saying that Wichita State is better job then South Carolina. Dude is Moron and a closet tiger.

This post was edited on 2/19 11:53 AM by scgcwb

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 3

What school has better attendance, more wins, higher ranking,better players, and a better coach ?

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by parguy.

Answer 4

Morris is a condescending little prick! How in the world does this guy have such a sense of grandeur? Come out of the closet already...

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by jwd3.

Answer 5

What school has played on National TV more than the other this year?

This post was edited on 2/19 12:10 PM by scgcwb

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 6

It's about the same. Most of our games are regional network games. The UNC, Clemson, Ohio State, Vandy, Florida, and 2nd UK game are the only national games we've had. The rest have been on Fox Sports Regional, The SEC Network(regional), or CSS(only available to Comcast subscribers).

WSU has been on national TV against Colorado, Temple, Creighton twice, Davidson, Indiana State twice

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by SpurCock78.

Answer 7

While I think Morris is trolling as usual, I admit he makes some good points in this piece. If you can't recognize WSU is a better job than USC right now, you're not being honest imo.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by w-c cock.

Answer 8

Hopefully Hyman has the decency to do the right thing.

Step 1: Fire Horn...

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by ipull4usc.

Answer 9

Answer 10

Yea. Well if he got offered about 2 or 1.5 he would take on the task with pleasure.

But really lets just stay on the same sport and conference with coaches in the SEC? How much are they getting paid?

Side note not related but just wondering: how much does tanner and spurrier get paid too?

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 11

We should be saving enough money from football to cover the buy out and offer Marshall $1 mil. We got our DC for about half the going rate and we don't even have an OC. Those two things alone save about $2 mil a year compared to Clemson.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by roback.

Answer 12

We really have some immature, inexperienced people on this Board. Morris wrote this column because people are talking about replacing Horn with Marshall. If anything, it shows Morris is paying attention to the street. Don't like his opinion? It doesn't matter. His job is to create chatter.

Morris wins again, chumps.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by The Real Atlanta Cock.

Answer 13

Whatever...the only reason Ron Morris wrote that article was to get SC fans to believe Gregg Marshall will not come here so fans will stop pushing for SC to hire him. Ron Morris always has negative motive for USC behind every story.

This post was edited on 2/19 2:45 PM by scgcwb

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 14

There's no true/false information here - only opinions. You have yours and Ron has his.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by atl-cock.

Answer 15

Yea and since he writes for TheState a lot of people will actually believe that opinion like its true.

This post was edited on 2/19 2:58 PM by scgcwb

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 16

Now MoRon is everybody buddy in Gamecock Nation. lol

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by pepsicock.

Answer 17

There is little doubt WSU is a better job than USC...RIGHT NOW. The pay is better, more fans, more national exposure and a higher national ranking. But to a large degree the coach makes the job; Wichita is a better job because Marshall made it that way by winning.

There is also little doubt there is more UPSIDE at USC than Wichita. The Shockers have pretty much peaked. If Marshall were to come here and get us playing as well as, say, Florida then the CLA would be packed every night and after a few years he could be making at least double what he's getting from WSU. Win a championship or two and get ANOTHER court named after him. He could end his career here in 15-20 years and be a legend.

THAT is a powerful enticement. HYMAN! DO IT.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by CaliCock.

Answer 18

Agree. The program is a dump and Horn will likely be fired. Not saying he isn't up for a challenge (and there is no doubt he would completely turn the program around), but I can't imagine USC would make the short list of most good coaches right now.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by Santarvo II.

Answer 19

Sadly I think there is a good chance that Hyman doesn't fire Horn. The Board of Trustees as well as the big boosters need to put the heat on Hyman's ass to do the right thing and fire Horn. Let Hyman know that we don't give a damn if he's kicking and screaming while the Board of Trustees pins him down and forces him to fire Horn...as long as it gets done. And if Hyman doesn't get off the HORNTANIC then he may get dragged down with the ship.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by ipull4usc.

Answer 20

Interesting differences re: the Marshall-USC Affair from two sources. Sorenson, at the much larger Charlotte Observer, puts a more positive spin on the possibility of Horne getting fired after this season and the chance that USC might bag Marshall. Morris, on the other hand, gives both items a thumbs down.

Oh, and based on the recent State paper articles re: USC coaches' salaries, I can think of at least 400,000 ($$$) reasons right now for Marsall to consider USC over WaSoo.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by 67gamecock.

Answer 21

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Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by Carolina Cat.

Answer 22

I agree that Marshall has made WSU a better job, but they have always focused on basketball there. The Shockers were a sleeping basketball power waiting on the right person to wake them up. We will always be a football first school and fan base. Do you think USC would give the private plane access to Marshall as much as WSU? I hope Hyman goes to Marshall first, but I just think he will turn us down. I really hope I'm wrong.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by w-c cock.

Answer 23

Wins what? Morris is a dumbass. That is my opinion. Does that mean I win?

This post was edited on 2/19 5:46 PM by Lowcountry Cock

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by Lowcountry Cock.

Answer 24

I haven't followed him since Winthrop, but from reading here, he must be a really good coach. If some current players are looking to leave we could end up not having enough guys to fill the roster. I am sure this has occurred to the powers that be. Unless we win out, Horn should go. This almost amounts to punishment for the players. They hear the booing and see the empty seats. As usual, I won't be asked for advice. Would the buy out money leave enough to get this guy here?

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by Koolade2.

Answer 25

Do you realize that all it requires to fill the CLA is a GLIMMER of hope? We have one of the largest fanbases in the country and we could fill the CLA for every conference game if we had a winning program and my friends would be begging me to take them to games instead of me scrounging around for someone to use my extra ticket. All you have to do is look at past seasons to see that we fill the CA when we are just decent. 2004 - the last time we went to the tournament (as a 10 seed), we averaged close to 17,000 for conference games. If we went to the tournament more often than not, the CLA would be filled to the rafters. We are a sleeping giant, but we have got to shell out the bucks for a top coach. When Marshall simply stated that "he has a team to coach" when asked about the USC job, I know that he wants to come home. It is up to us fans to convince Eric Hyman that he needs to make it happen.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by cockhornleghorn.

Answer 26

While I agree with your post, it is amazing the stark contrast of your opinion of Marshall now vs. 3 years ago. I'm glad some posters here have come to their senses and realize that Marshall is the real deal.

I don't, however, agree with the assessment of another poster who stated that we are a football school. Was Florida a football school when they had Spurrier and hired Billy Donovan who quickly lead the Gators to back-to-back national championships? We as USC basketball fans, need to believe that this program can be successful if we make the commitment to win. We made the commitment with our facilities, now it's time to make the commitment to bring the right coach on-board. There is no reason this program can't compete for championship banners, no matter how good our football and baseball teams are. Spurrier and Tanner should provide the perfect example of what winning can bring. I can say -- almost w/o a shadow of a doubt that if Marshall were to accept this job, he would retire here. That means we would have 3 coaches in major sports that are here for the long haul. I also have no doubt Marshall could right the ship. He is much more loyal to the schools he has coached at... dare I say more loyal than Horn was after his first year at Carolina.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by Southern Drawls.

Answer 27

Some thoughts:
1. I can see where someone might want a Wichita State job over a SC job simply because basketball can be THE sport at Wichita State. Wichita State does NOT have football, so basketball doesn't have to take a backseat to football like it does here (no matter how good basketball is, football will always be "king" here).
2. Marshall is showing he is not a one-trick pony, however you have to wonder why more big schools did not go after him while he was at Winthrop? Why was Wichita State the best job he could get? Was it because they didn't want to take a chance since Winthrop is so small, thereby forcing him to prove himself elsewhere? I think that argument has some merit. Also, and this doesn't have to be the sole reason for it, but I have heard from different folks that Marshall can come off as a jerk in interviews and turns off a lot of search committee folks. Nothing I can prove, just something I heard from more than one individual - one of which worked at school he interviewed. Take it for what it's worth. It may be nothing.
3. I think if the USC board really wanted Horn fired, then that pressure would come down on Eric Hyman. To this point, I have not heard board members going crazy about it. I think an A.D. has to be supportive (publicly) of his coaches when things are going poorly (as long as there is nothing illegal going on etc.). So I don't think you can fire a coach in the middle of the season because no coach would come here if you did. I also think if an A.D. spoke out negatively about a coach in the middle of the season, no coach would want to come here. Unfortunately, USC's lack of winning history in basketball (sorry, McGuide era was 40 years ago and 2 very good seasons under Fogler don't qualify as a winning tradition), makes it hard to fire after 4 years. I think because Horn had some success his first 2 years, he will likely get a fifth year with the understanding (not publicly stated) that thinks must get better or they'll do whatever they have to to make a change.

Go Gamecocks!

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by JasonScottinSC.

Answer 28

1) Agree

2) He was offered the NC State gig, turned it down


Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by June 28th 1776.

Answer 29

think if the USC board really wanted Horn fired, then that pressure would come down on Eric Hyman. To this point, I have not heard board members going crazy about it.

This is to the board's credit. They are not "micro" managing the athletic department like was done for so many years. This is why we have been so successful the past few years.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by TeeCock.

Answer 30

1) Yes. - 2) I know. - 3) Yep. - 4) I remember. - 5) I agree - 6) I think so too. At least as much as Vandy is paying Stallings 1.7 - 7) I think he does too. 8) I think so too. Lets do it.

lol

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 31

I know some Carolina fans who don't know how Morris is and they think he rights the truth about USC and Clemson. They drink his orange koolaid even though he said he doesn't write anymore about Clemson. We are a sleeping giant that needs to be awakened and the CLA is a beautiful arena that is so much fun when it is sold out and rocking. However, we've always supported baseball and supported football through 0-21. We don't support basketball in the same way.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by CarolinaHeaven.

Answer 32

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Originally posted by cockhornleghorn:
1) Do you realize that all it requires to fill the CLA is a GLIMMER of hope? 2) We have one of the largest fanbases in the country and we could fill the CLA for every conference game if we had a winning program and my friends would be begging me to take them to games instead of me scrounging around for someone to use my extra ticket. 3) All you have to do is look at past seasons to see that we fill the CA when we are just decent. 4) 2004 - the last time we went to the tournament (as a 10 seed), we averaged close to 17,000 for conference games. 5) If we went to the tournament more often than not, the CLA would be filled to the rafters. 6) We are a sleeping giant, but we have got to shell out the bucks for a top coach. 7) When Marshall simply stated that "he has a team to coach" when asked about the USC job, I know that he wants to come home. 8) It is up to us fans to convince Eric Hyman that he needs to make it happen.
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1) Yes. - 2) I know. - 3) Yep. - 4) I remember. - 5) I agree - 6) I think so too. At least as much as Vandy is paying Stallings 1.7 - 7) I think he does too. 8) I think so too. Lets do it.

I AGREE COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by sully2.

Answer 33

There is a premise behind #2 that I think a lot of people on this board miss. People act as if the move from Winthrop to Wichita State was not a significant move. Let me speak to this issue. When Gregg got to Winthrop, he did not even have a car to drive on recruiting trips, nor did he even have a VCR to watch film on! Seriously! He went from those humble beginnings 7 NCAA trips (Winthrop had never been before) in 9 seasons. Winthrop put together a package that would have included naming the Court after him and paying him $400k/year for 10 years. To do that, they had to offer him a cut of the $$ brought in from OOC games against BCS schools.

Now, Marshall had garnered quite a bit of status in Rock Hill by the time he left. The guy is a master at marketing. He literally takes over a room when he enters it. He could have made moves from Winthrop to other bigger, yet still small, schools over the years. He had a chance to coach in the American East Conference, A10 and the CAA. But he knew his gig at Winthrop was decent enough. Wichita State, on the other hand, was a different matter. Where else can you get a large, public school, that has no football program? Where else can you earn $1,000,000.00 a year and have the school commit the vast majority of its athletics resources to your team? This is a move that made sense. So to say Wichita State was not a significant move up from Winthrop is a gross misstatement in my opinion.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by BirminghamCock.

Answer 34

Thank you BirminghamCock

This post was edited on 2/21 2:04 PM by scgcwb

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 35

Thank you BirminghamCock

This post was edited on 2/21 2:05 PM by scgcwb

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 36

Thank you BirminghamCock

This post was edited on 2/21 2:06 PM by scgcwb

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 37

at Birmingham Cock.
I think we're on the same page. Wichita State was definitely a step up from Winthrop because of the reasons we both mentioned. The point I was trying to make is that perhaps he ended at W. State instead of a Big East, ACC, SEC etc. school is perhaps it would be too big of a chance to take to hire someone from tiny Winthrop. Wichita State is an ideal situation for reasons I think we both outlined. Now, for any of those at the "bigger conference" schools, there's no reason to think that Marshall can't get the job done at another level - provided there are no personality conflicts as have been reported by some. At this point, a struggling program from a major conference would certainly take a chance at this point.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by JasonScottinSC.

Answer 38

JasonScott, didn't you read in the Morris article that he turned down a Big East school while at Winthrop? He chose Wichita because he knew it was a great situation and he could win big there (currently ranked #19 in both polls).

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by ToddFlanders.

Answer 39

lol

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by scgcwb.

Answer 40

Morris likes to say WSU is a better job. Funny. All reports are Marshall would kill for SC job.

Ron, it's ok to admit it. You were wrong on Horn. He is awful, and the fanbase doesn't need sit back and wait another few years to realize the inconvenient truth--this was a terrible hire.

Originally posted on Fighting Gamecocks Forum by goldengamecock.