Siva needs to watch some tapes on Jeremy Lin

Question

I was watching some of the game videos on Lin today and the style and attitude of attacking the basket is very similar to what Siva is currently doing. The only difference is he can finish around the basket being 4" taller. He has great first step like Siva but he use the pick much more intelligently to set up the drive. Siva tends to use the pick as a fake and fade the other way. Lin fakes then drive when his defender commits and leave them in the dust. Siva only need to tweek a bit to get to the same level of play. Point guard that can drive and hit the midrange jumper is very dangerous.

Originally posted on The Hall by RockvilleRed.

Answer 1

Way bigger than Siva, probably got a 10 inch reach on Siva. This cat is long.

Originally posted on The Hall by wiewie1.

Answer 2

i believe Lin today became the first player in NBA history with six consecutive games of at least 6 turnovers. uh, don;t think we need that emulated. Lin is good but he's a turnover machine. yes 14 assists, but 7 turnovers. siva is already capable of what Lin is doing. watch the Lin tapes, he drives and throws the ball to no one.

Originally posted on The Hall by glassmanJ.

Answer 3

Already a top 10 NBA point guard and headed inside the top 5 quick. An unbelievably low amount of turnovers considering he dominates the ball in this offense 80 percent of the clock. Super high basketball IQ and learning every game. Dallas tried their best to stop him and could not.Notice Jason Kidd after the game,he knows. He played over 45 minutes today.

This post was edited on 2/19 5:44 PM by wiewie1

Originally posted on The Hall by wiewie1.

Answer 4

Top 5 point guard in the NBA? Not so fast We We. The man is playing some great ball, those turnovers are piling up though. Waiting to see if it holds up over time.

I wouldn't put too much stock into him vs. Jason Kidd though. Hall of Fame point guard, but he is like 45.

Originally posted on The Hall by CardsFanBD.

Answer 5

If Siva can get 14 assists and 7 turnovers, that would be great. Right now he is at 5.6 assists to 3.4 to's. Not even considering the pressure Lin puts on teams because he can score on the drive or from deep. Lin is playing phenomenal ball - against the Lakers and the Mavs no less. Just because what he is doing seems unbelievable some don't want to believe. I doubt you can find any point guard in the NBA who has had a streak like that this year for 8 games in a row, with only one part clunker thrown in. Nash perhaps, who will have fewer turnovers for sure, with a bit less scoring as well.

Originally posted on The Hall by Violiner.

Answer 6

Yeah, that NBA defense might make a difference you know. Get a kid that is motivated and he will excel in the league because no one plays defense that is that had to beat. Apples to Oranges in terms of comparison. What did Lin do in college statistically against IVY league competition??

Compare that

Originally posted on The Hall by BrakingAnkles.

Answer 7

The stupid police need to go pick up Breakingankles.

Originally posted on The Hall by wiewie1.

Answer 8

Thanks, UN is a play on words. Intelligent argument in return by the way. Thanks for confirming mine.

See what Lin did in college.

Again, you can't compare NBA stats to college stats, it is a different game all together. Has Lin been doing good in the NBA, sure. If he was playing for the Bucks instead of the Knicks, it would be second class sports news. If he wasn't Asian, even more reason we would not hear about it. If he didn't play in the Ivy league we would not hear about it.

But continue ignoring facts if need be.

Originally posted on The Hall by BrakingAnkles.

Answer 9

In terms of understanding defenses and different defenses, yes. In terms of offensive talent, no, it is the best players in the world. I am not denying any of that. I am only saying stats in the NBA and college are completely different.

Originally posted on The Hall by BrakingAnkles.

Answer 10

The question peaked my interest so I looked up his stats. He averaged over 4.1 assists a game while averaging 2.6 turnovers a game his senior season at Harvard. Not all that great at all. I'm surprised he even got a look at NBA teams. His 6-3 200 pound frame is the only reason teams even looked at him. Well that and he can shoot.

This post was edited on 2/19 7:15 PM by Cue Card

Originally posted on The Hall by Cue Card.

Answer 11

Braking, I apologize, too harsh.

Originally posted on The Hall by wiewie1.

Answer 12

Not uncommon to see a guy play better in the NBA than college. The NBA is a fast pace pick n roll game.

Siva's biggest problem is knowing how to change speeds, Lin plays with great pace and changes speed. Alot like Kidd in his prime.

Originally posted on The Hall by cardsfan53.

Answer 13

only difference??? How about the jumper (midrange and 3)...? Siva is quicker and a better defender, but I don't see any other comparison, Lin hits the open jumper, takes more chances with passes, doesn't fall down on every drive and like you said the pick and roll.

If Siva becomes consistent on just a midrange jumper UL's offense becomes drastically better.

Originally posted on The Hall by rocko2727.

Answer 14

after tonight's game, Lin has 87 assists and 51 turnovers, that's a 1.71:1 ratio, and that ranks him 67th in the nba if he had enough games. 67th people. nothing to brag about whatsoever. chris paul is over 4:1, all the top guards are over 2.5:1.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/sortableStats?league=NBA&table=assists&stat=assistsPerTurnover&dir=descending&low=51&high=100&showPlayers=min&position=all

let's not annoint the guy yet. and turnovers are way more important than assists anyways. a turnover means you lost possession for your team. assists just means you made the last pass. there are other guys who can also get assist. turnovers lose the game for you. an assist can go to a teammate. team assists are important personal one are not. he simply turns the ball over too much.

Originally posted on The Hall by glassmanJ.

Answer 15

I'm not comparing Lin to Siva. I'm just pointing out how smart he is using the screen then using that first quick step to blow by defenders to get open for the mid-range jumper, pass or drive to the basket. There's more to being a good point guard than just that. He's a big point guard and likely much stronger than Siva. He can go straight at a 7-footer and float the ball over the guy. That's something Siva cannot do.

As to the other posters dishing on Lin, you can't argue with results. He has done something no other rookie or second-year player has done in the NBA EVER...Black, White, Orange, Red or Yellow. The high turnover is a combination of being aggressive with the ball and the fact that he has the ball in his hands 95% of the time. Teams will learn to play him like packing the paint like the Hornets and hope that his teammates doesn't step up. That's where shooters like JR Smith should be licking their chops. So he single-handedly put the defense on it's heel and create open shots for his teammates.

Originally posted on The Hall by RockvilleRed.

Answer 16

thing thing also about Lin is he is a system guy, D'antonio's system. it's all about the PG creating and putting pressure on the D. Lin is perfect for that, just needed to mature a little and not get so deep and in trouble. like Siva was doing. i see exact comparisons actually. pressure the D deep into the lane but get trapped with no place to throw the ball. once Lin starts realizing this, he'll just get better and better. He'd work great in Cal's dribble drive system also.

Originally posted on The Hall by glassmanJ.

Answer 17

Like Steve Nash?

Originally posted on The Hall by wiewie1.

Answer 18

I suppose any player can grab a tape or two from successful players and learn a thing or two, or more. It's not about molding into that player, but maybe picking up a few ideas.

Off topic, but if Siva is wanting to find a player to emulate, it's better served to maybe review game film on the former greats that are more closer to his size and stature.

For our purposes, I'd be happy if Siva learned how to stay out of foul trouble. So maybe he should watch some tapes on guys that play 35-40 MPG at the college level that don't battle foul trouble?

Originally posted on The Hall by Ipartiedwithhopgood.

Answer 19

Must be the first time some of you have watched the NBA.

Siva has been here 3 years. There has be tons of guards
to emulate in the association, long before Lin came along.

just the old bandwagon syndrome. Watch player "X" do things,
players A-W have been doing. the basketball version of Tebow.

SMH

Originally posted on The Hall by KerryRhodes.

Answer 20

The NBA has done it's job with the "Lin-sanity" business. It has people turning on the TV set that hasn't watched the NBA since Bird and magic left or even Jordan.

While you're back, it's interesting to know that there is a rookie ranked #5 overall in assists Ricky Rubio with 8.5 assists per game. The top 4 are incredible with Steve Nash(11 APG), Rondo(9.5 APG), Jose Calerdon(8.8 APG) and Chris Paul with 8.7 APG. What's interesting about Paul and Calerdon, is their AST:TO ratio is off the charts. Calerdon(280 ast/62 TO) is the leader with 4.5:1 while Paul(208 ast/51 TO) is 4.08:1.






Originally posted on The Hall by dopeordogfood.

Answer 21

He got some nads! Turn it up and remember its on the road.

This post was edited on 2/20 3:54 PM by wiewie1

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Originally posted on The Hall by wiewie1.

Answer 22

I've been watching the NBA for years..so please get off your high horse. I find it boring because 1/2 the time the ball gets walked down for a typical isolation play and the money guy put the ball in the basket for $5K a shot. NY is a fad currently because they are the hottest team and doing with a point-guard that is defying conventional wisdom...too big, too many turn-over, etc. People love to route for the underdog and you can't get more dogged than the Nicks in the past 3 years. You can't argued that what Lin has done for this team in the past 3wk has been just short of amazing.

Back to my point though. The point in all this is that the game strategy and offensive philosophy of the Nick is fairly close to what we are doing or trying to do at Louisville. Therefore the job of the point guard is very similar in both situations.

Originally posted on The Hall by RockvilleRed.

Answer 23

New York is NOT the hottest team right now. The media can craft it that way but San Antonio is on a 10 game winning streak and 10-0 their last 10 games. Miami is on a 6 game win streak and 9-1 in their last 10. Oklahoma City is 9-1 at home in their last 10(7-3 overall). The "Knicks" are 8-2 overall in their last 10, 6-4 at home the last 10 and 4-6 on the road in their last 10. They are ONE of the hottest over the last 10 games but NOT THE hottest team.

This post was edited on 2/20 4:42 PM by dopeordogfood

Originally posted on The Hall by dopeordogfood.

Answer 24

That is of course accurate. And prior to Lin playing they had lost 8 of 9 games. Did any of the other teams on winning streaks have a record like 1-8 in their previous nine games?
The point is not that Lin is the best point guard in the NBA or that he doesn't have weaknesses. The point is no single player has come from COMPLETE obscurity at the end of the bench, on the verge of being cut yet again, to LEAD his team to string of victories after they were headed for a disastrous year. If nothing else, Mr. Lin is a leader who has completely changed his team's dynamic. He has scored more and had more assists than any player in his first run of starting games since god knows when, and those in the same category are in fact stars of the NBA past and present. What is so hard about recognizing something extraordinary that has happened? Must we all be so cool and blase that we act like we've seen it all when something no one has seen actually comes along? If he rang up 40 points and 20 assists I guess we'd only hear that he doesn't rebound well enough.

Originally posted on The Hall by Violiner.

Answer 25

I stand corrected...they are the hottest team relative to where they were before the streak and the hottest sport story. America always love a great comeback kid story. Not even Hollywood can script this one better and WITHOUT the big payout. The NBA really need this to improve its image.

Case in point, I was at a party this weekend and found a group of women...most of whom probably have never watched a full basketball game in their life...were talking about Lin.

Originally posted on The Hall by RockvilleRed.

Answer 26

Sunday TV Ratings are lincredible!

This post was edited on 2/20 6:41 PM by wiewie1

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Originally posted on The Hall by wiewie1.