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I would love to get some answers without flames

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but I fully expect to get some. My question is regarding Will Blackwell and Tiger fan's thoughts on him after a)his comments about Bama not deserving to be in the NC game b) his dirty play when he obviously stomped Barron's hand after a pile-up and c) him continuously getting beaten badly by several Bama d-lineman but most recognizably by Bama's 2nd teamer Nick Gentry.

TIA. I know tensions are high right now because of the outcome of the game as well as the idiot Bama fans at Krystals, but I would like rational discussion. That being said, I understand where I am and if someone wants to take it out on me then I will respond accordingly.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Tide Broker.
Started Jan 18
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TriDitty is now my favorite TigerBait poster. That was some good stuff right there. I can literally feel him crying while he was typing that.

For not wanting flames, you are doing more of it than actual debate. I replied honestly to your question and without any flame but you didn't even reply to it because it was true.

1137,

You are a respected poster on this site and we appreciate your non-flaming honesty that your provide. I get along with Bama fans. I've always enjoyed interacting with them and despite the opinions of many here, I find Bama fans and LSU fans generally have the most in common compared to other SEC schools.

I'm on record before the first game saying that I was against a rematch. We were both really good this year. In most years both teams run the table and become undefeated National Champs. I said before the first game that I was againts a playoff because it wasn't fair to the winner of the first game to have to beat a very good football team twice. Even though there were plenty of Bama fans who agreed with me (granted, they thought they would win the first game) before the first game was played, I can't seem to find any that agree with that now. Knowing your fanbase better than I, what do you think the opinion would of most Alabama fans would be if the roles were reversed? If Bama had won the first game, and LSU had beaten them in the Championship game, how many Bama fans would be saying top 2 teams should be playing?

Personally, I think it should be top 2 teams, unless it forces a rematch and there is a comparable team available. Now if Bama had been the only 1 loss team, then I would have been ok with that. But I think it was very unfair for us to have to beat a great team twice and I also think it was unfair to Ok ST. Granted, I don't think they beat either one of us, but I still believe they deserved a chance to try.

Yea, there really isn't any situation where it would be fair to all. I really didn't complain too much about it and really don't now either. While I do think it was unfair for LSU to have to beat Bama twice to win it, I also think we were the 2 best teams and that should mean something. But at the same time, I do believe that it was unfortunate that Ok St didn't get a chance to prove everyone wrong. At least if they had picked Ok ST to play then only Bama would be getting screwed. With Bama in both LSU and Ok St got screwed ;)

typical bama bs.

Funny how the two best teams argument works when you lost your division and didnt even play in the sec champioship.

But the 2 best teams argument works for you this year.


When it was a different situation your coach thought you had to win your conference championship.

But now in a revelation it should be the 2 best teams.

But thats bama fans. Blinded and feel the way best works for them at this moment.


Your program cheats. You know it. And you just dont care as long as you win.

Pretty much like our government.

In the meantime our country and the SEC is run by a bunch of cheating, slimy scumbags who do nothing but rape the words in our constitution and declaration of independence.

Win , steal, plunder and then bask in your money and titles.

The word integrity, Honor and charachter should never be used in the same sentence with Bama when talking sports.

Enjoy your bought and paid for cheating refs, your scumbag fans, and your win at all costs mentality.

Tell us all about how many championships you got again. And how great the bear was. And how great saban is. I am sure it gets you up in the morning.

You know instead of your coaches getting statues out in front of the stadiums it should be the real people responsible.

All the SEC Refs and Bought and paid for people in the SEC office that make sure you dont get severely punished for all your recruiting violations.

They are the true statue deservers.

he tends to get a little "handsy" with the ladies.

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He already apologized for stepping on Barron
Reply Jan 18
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I never called Blackwell a dirty player. I simply asked what LSU fans thought about him stepping on the hand intentionally. I can admit what Upshaw did was dirty(although all you did was deflect by even bringing a play from 3 months ago up) just like it was obvious that Blackwell looked down and then stepped on Barron's hand. But it doesn't look like you are ready to make that obvious conclusion. I just wanted opinions, especially considering his outspoken comments before the game and then his poor play. For the record I doubt his comments did much to change the outcome but it certainly couldn't have helped his cause either.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Tide Broker.
Reply Jan 18
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You said he stomped Barrons hand, which was a false statement. If a 300 lb OL stomped a guys hand, it would be mangled and broken.

As far as whether he stepped on MB's hand intentionally, ask Will. Like I said, he apologized already, and that is good enough for me. I dont have a problem with it on any level at this point.

Look Tide Broker, flame threads are started repeatedly by bama fans here and on the mb. They get deleted here, but not on the mb. Your OP looked like more of the same, so I treated it as such.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by tigerfreakdave1.
Reply Jan 18
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You be the judge. I don't think he put all his weight into it but it looks like he aimed for it. He also had a few post play issues with Gentry and Lester. JMO.

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Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by BamaFan1137.
Reply Jan 18
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BF1137, you are a great poster here and I like your contributions.

Like I said before, Will apologized...so I am ok with the incident moving forward. Do I like it, not really, but what do you want me to say?

I do know that Will has represented himself and LSU with nothing but class during his time in BR. He has visited grade schools, hospitals, etc. since his arrival. I will not forget or think less of him b/c of 1 bone headed move.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by tigerfreakdave1.
Reply Jan 18
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I'm glad to hear he apologized for it. I honestly didn't know much about him before this game other than he is a solid OL. FTR, I don't think you or any LSU fan owes anyone an apology. I know the OP pretty well and I don't think he does either.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by BamaFan1137.
Reply Jan 18
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You are correct, I wasn't looking for an apology from a poster. Just wanted thoughts on WB's comments, the alleged flagrant play on our AA safety, and his play throughout the game. I know that if it were a Bama player, I wouldn't have been happy about the comments before the game at all. And then if we were beaten in the manner that LSU was then I would have been even more upset with the comments. I already stated that I don't think his comments had much to do with the outcome but again, it definitely didn't help him either.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Tide Broker.
Reply Jan 18
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There is a 99% chance IMO that he stepped on the hand on purpose. If he opologized for doing it then all is good.

Our guy did kick a player and was suspended for a half and did opologize to all.

Good luck come baseball season. I am sure you are loaded and will do good.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by botswana2011.
Reply Jan 19
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can't you f'en people just enjoy your win. let it go. so what if he did it on purpose. no harm both players are gone. use it for motivation next year, we don't give a shit. go home you loathsome people. rub your nuts on your kids your family your friends, hell i don't care, just leave us alone.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by ChapelHillTiger.
Reply Jan 22
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by Rivals_com
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give passes to tree killers and sex criminals but god forbid someone step on a hand. go home, kill trees, pray to god. do what you guys do. one of the people laughing and taking pictures with the past out guy is a huge christian, love the double standard of you people. come back next november.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by ChapelHillTiger.
Reply Jan 22
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You seem pretty angry.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by BamaFan1137.
Reply Jan 22
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Just tired the constant noise from ur fan base. Sick of it. We didn't win in november. Kicking does not matter. Ask the ravens about that. Just sick of reading it. Why can't u guys be happy u won. Never enough.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by ChapelHillTiger.
Reply Jan 23
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Dude, we are ecstatic. We got tired of hearing how you guys thought that we didnt deserve to play your team and that lsu was going to kill us again. We are just having a little fun, maybe some advice, don't take message boards too seriously.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by BIGJLAW.
Reply Jan 23
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Not sure what you're reading but I am happy. Ecstatic actually. What exactly are you looking for?
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by BamaFan1137.
Reply Jan 23
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You didn't deserve to play in the title game.ESPN pimped your little short hooker of a coach thru out the SEC title game. there were other teams that had one loss as well as your team,ESPN wanted the matchup and got it.
Why don't you stay on your own board or the mainboard with yourgloating ass?
How much gloating was going on in Tuscaloosa in early November?
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by bayoutiger9.
Reply Jan 26
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It was a simple question and I didn't flame Blackwell. Of course you are upset because LSU was absolutely dismantled by Bama in the title game. That wasn't what this thread was about and amazingly enough the flame content ITT wasn't bad until you entered. We will come back in November and LSU has a good chance to win as they have a great football program. But again, that has nothing to do with this thread. Sorry about the drubbing on January 9th. Now go take your meds.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Tide Broker.
Reply Jan 26
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I do not care one way or the other but it is apparent that the LSU player knowingly stepped on the hand.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by squiffynole.
Reply Jan 26
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Cry me a river. WAHHHH is all i read. Get over it, nothing you can do now can change that. By the way, the BCS is intended to put the two best teams in the country as the title game. If you can't honestly say that Bama/lsu were the two best then you need to quit drinking the swamp water. Not only did we deserve to play in the game we won in dominant fashion. Most guys on here let off a little steam and that is understandable but if the mods dont want me over here then they will blacklist my account. It is not gloating just laughing at the guys like you who have a lot of hate.
Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by BIGJLAW.
Reply Jan 30
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It truly is amazing that an Alabama fan would come in here trying to ask about actions from something that happens in almost every game played. Clearly the OP never played a lick of football growing up. There is never an excuse for a player who does something like Will did but it happens just about every game along with crazy things in every pile up.

Bama fans have Updykes, teabaggers, Upshaws, Johns and so many other dick players and fans and they come to the board like they don't have any baggage.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Ice_17.
Reply Jan 31
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That was only one question in my post. I played 10 seasons of organized football, I understand what goes on in piles. Again, it was one question and at least you admitted that it was intentional. Some ITT acted like there was some doubt in that. I posted about Blackwell because I thought I might get some honest answers from LSU fans about their take on his words before the game and his play. I, personally, would have been pissed off if any of the Bama players said anything to help motivate LSU. I have also stated that I don't think that it had much bearing on the outcome of the game but it definitely couldn't have helped their cause.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Tide Broker.
Reply Feb 3
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by Rivals_com
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Maze talked shit as well, its football. If you actually played like you claim you would know this. Bulletin board material is a joke, you line up and hit the man in front of you. Once the game starts all of that shit doesn't mean jack.

You came on here with the question about Blackwell to get a rise out of LSU fans, your pompous ass thinks he is smart enough to spin that into some honest discussion with LSU fans on an LSU site. It would be like me even attempting to go your free board with an honest discussion of the teabagger or Updyke.

You're not fooling anyone and you would be best served to just go where you belong, amongst other delusional Bama fans on your own home site.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Ice_17.
Reply Feb 4
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An Alabama fan had a poll on the mainboard and asked before the first game if we thought that the loser should get a rematch. Of course at that time most thought that Alabama was going to win, especially Alabama fans as expected. I said no to a rematch then and I still stand by it. I think these were two very good football teams and like many said after the first game, if they play 10 times you'd get 10 different type games. Unfortunately for us, we played like crap in the dome, mostly along the right side of the offensive line. I didn't think it would be fair that the winner of game one would have to beat that same team twice to win it all and I said that then. BTW, many Alabama fans thought the same thing. The poll results were against the rematch obviously and I'd say about 75% of the Bama fans were against a rematch. I didn't see any of them against it after the first game.

I'm not a Will Blackwell fan. I didn't see that play happen, but it does look like it can be intentional, but things do look different in slo motion. But if he apologized for it then that to me says guilty as charged. Him getting beat? Yea, that side of the line really did not play well and I'm not sure why. They made uncharacteristic mistakes, totally missed assignments etc. I knew we would lose some battles up there, but I figured we'd win our share too, that really didn't happen that game and they just seemed to be in a funk and couldn't get out of it.

Alabama fans can and have obviously taken the side that it's all about getting the two best teams in that game, but if the rolls of the season were reversed I'm pretty sure they would be making statements just like I am right now.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by LSUTIGER21.
Reply Feb 6
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by Rivals_com
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If you actually played like you claim you would know this.

Haha ok. I don't care what you think as I have no reason to lie about it. You seem really tough behind your keyboard too btw.

I didn't start the thread to get a rise out of anyone and some posters have made reasonable posts. I can tell you are very angry about the loss. If posting drivel like you have helps you to cope with that pain then go ahead. You just look foolish IMO.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by Tide Broker.
Reply Feb 7
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Bud, I'll answer your question honestly and without any hate whatsoever.

With your linemen blabbing about restoring order after the sorry record against LSU that Bama has since 2000, I find it funny that you would ask a question like that in the first place. I know that your tide team did not earn their spot in the NC game. There were even some voters who skewed the points by dropping an obviously 2/3 team in OSU to fourth while Bama makes it to the big game by less than 20 pts. You might know one or two of them.

Nope, the tide did not earn that NC spot but the did win the game and I wont even get into that piss poor showing because I said that I would not show any hate in this post. To explain though, your boys sat back and rehabbed while we played a red hot Geo team for the SEC champ.

Yep, Nicky was lobbying for the NC spot while LSU was playing for it at the time. Of coarse they didn't earn the NC spot. OSU had a much better win list last year.

Enjoy your high Tide fans, the championship comes through the Valley next year and you don't get to abuse Jefferson or Lee anymore.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by TriDitty.
Reply Feb 10
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by Rivals_com
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You whine like a little girl and your excuses are pathetic. LMAO, your team wasn't as well rested with a 37 day layoff as ours was with a 45 day layoff? haha, if anything, advantage LSU because you should have been less rusty. You lost that game because the team was divided and because your players didn't believe in the game plan or their QB and you played against a very good team.

As far as our series record "since 2000," I'm pretty sure the series didn't start then but I do get why you picked that SELECTIVE time frame but LOL at Saban being your coach in part of your selective time frame.

We earned our spot friend just like that 2 loss LSU NC team earned theirs. You have an opinion that says otherwise but we all have opinions. Some people ranked Okie St lower because of how bad their loss was. Of all the top 5 teams, no one had a worse loss and perhaps that's why some of the coaches ranked them how they did. Either way, get over it....the two best teams played, clearly and only one team could come out on top. Making excuses cheapens an otherwise great season by your young men.

Originally posted on Tiger Sports Forum by BamaFan1137_R886.
Reply Feb 11
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by BamaFan1137
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Originally posted by BamaFan1137:

Originally posted by TriDitty:
Bud, I'll answer your question honestly and without any hate whatsoever.

With your linemen blabbing about restoring order after the sorry record against LSU that Bama has since 2000, I find it funny that you would ask a question like that in the first place. I know that your tide team did not earn their spot in the NC game. There were even some voters who skewed the points by dropping an obviously 2/3 team in OSU to fourth while Bama makes it to the big game by less than 20 pts. You might know one or two of them.

Nope, the tide did not earn that NC spot but the did win the game and I wont even get into that piss poor showing because I said that I would not show any hate in this post. To explain though, your boys sat back and rehabbed while we played a red hot Geo team for the SEC champ.

Yep, Nicky was lobbying for the NC spot while LSU was playing for it at the time. Of coarse they didn't earn the NC spot. OSU had a much better win list last year.

Enjoy your high Tide fans, the championship comes through the Valley next year and you don't get to abuse Jefferson or Lee anymore.



You whine like a little girl and your excuses are pathetic. LMAO, your team wasn't as well rested with a 37 day layoff as ours was with a 45 day layoff? haha, if anything, advantage LSU because you should have been less rusty. You lost that game because the team was divided and because your players didn't believe in the game plan or their QB and you played against a very good team.

As far as our series record "since 2000," I'm pretty sure the series didn't start then but I do get why you picked that SELECTIVE time frame but LOL at Saban being your coach in part of your selective time frame.

We earned our spot friend just like that 2 loss LSU NC team earned theirs. You have an opinion that says otherwise but we all have opinions. Some people ranked Okie St lower because of how bad their loss was. Of all the top 5 teams, no one had a worse loss and perhaps that's why some of the coaches ranked them how they did. Either way, get over it....the two best teams played, clearly and only one team could come out on top. Making excuses cheapens an otherwise great season by your young men.



Nice try on leaving out the flames or maybe you are used to debating little girls? LMAO haha

That is how it goes right? End the sentence with a ha hahaha or a LMAO and you win the argument? I could never understand that about the Bama fan base though.

As for ranking the teams, nobody can convince anyone outside of your own fanbase that OSU should have been ranked any lower than 3rd on anyones ballot..... especially your own coach's. Character does mean something in the end whether you believe it or not.

As for the tiger's performance on the 9th... Our fan base's internal arguements haven't really solved anything so your opinion on what went on that day isn't going to add anything new to the equation that I will put any weight into.

Unfortunately though, we've gone on the typical tangents that we usually do and have gotten a little far away from the actual threads topic. On that note, I had picked the year 2000 as a round number. If you insist on going with your presumed time line, Les was on top of the mighty midget by one win at the time of your O Lineman's crack about restoring order. So in that light, restoring order means that the two programs are equals. So how can we simply call out our one player for making a comment after the entire Tide program showed zero sportsmanship after getting beaten on the fifth.

I don't recall one single respectful comment from anyone in the Tide program except for the generic ones from Saban that were4 less than heartfelt. So as for the topic of this thread, Our guys made much better and much more sportsman like public comments than anyone of Bama's players did.... even TR.

In the end though, after I hit the "Post Message" button, LSU will be returning a team that will finally be rid of the debate of JJ or JL among our fan base. You will get to enjoy a Tiger offense ran by one of the best Juco QB's of all time in his second year in the program. While he should be starting, I will enjoy knowing that he is being backed up by a group of QB's that you would love to see in Tide Jerseys.

This one aspect of next year's team should take care of the root of every single problem that the team had at the time of the rematch. Oh wel;l, gotta hit the range.

Reply Feb 12
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Originally posted by TriDitty:

nobody can convince anyone outside of your own fanbase that OSU should have been ranked any lower than 3rd on anyones ballot



I agree, character means a lot. However, there were 8 other coaches, who are certainly not a part of our fan base, who ranked them outside of the top 3. It seems that even though they were outside our fan base they didn't need any convincing.....so oops.

Restoring order was his opinion of the rivalry that had nothing to do with the past few years period. I believe he meant it to show pride in his own school rather than a shot at another. Either way, that comment seems to have angered some of you and that's a shame.

I don't recall one single respectful comment from anyone in the Tide program except for the generic ones from Saban that were4 less than heartfelt. So as for the topic of this thread, Our guys made much better and much more sportsman like public comments than anyone of Bama's players did.... even TR.

Good Lord at this. Several players spoke highly of LSU leading up to that game. You've culled the only ones you can twist negatively to give you some false sense of superiority and higher character. That's a you issue so I can't imagine what I could say to help you with it.

That said, not one of our players made a black and white comment as poignant as Blackwells where he flatly stated we didn't belong in the game. We didn't need to twist or spin that comment....it was rather direct and to the point but you carry on crying about restoring order if it fills some need of yours.

Finally, I agree LSU will have a great team in 2012. You guys return a ton of talent and are just as talented as we are with your backups.
Reply Feb 13
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by BamaFan1137
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Originally posted by LSUTIGER21:
For not wanting flames, you are doing more of it than actual debate. I replied honestly to your question and without any flame but you didn't even reply to it because it was true.



I'm flaming? Lol, ok. Your first post was a good one and I agreed with some parts of it. I just didn't feel like rehashing the whole title game scenario of who should have played. I said before the first Bama-LSU game that I did not want a rematch but thought that if Bama would have won the game that LSU would still have a good chance at making the NC game because the game was played in Tuscaloosa. Bama lost and needed some things to happen. But after Ok St lost to a horrible Iowa State team there was no way to keep Bama out of the game. LSU would have destroyed Ok St. People can cry all that they want but there is no doubt that the best two teams in the nation played in the BCSNCG.

Reply Feb 16
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by Tide_Broker
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Originally posted by LSUTIGER21:
1137,

You are a respected poster on this site and we appreciate your non-flaming honesty that your provide. I get along with Bama fans. I've always enjoyed interacting with them and despite the opinions of many here, I find Bama fans and LSU fans generally have the most in common compared to other SEC schools.

I'm on record before the first game saying that I was against a rematch. We were both really good this year. In most years both teams run the table and become undefeated National Champs. I said before the first game that I was againts a playoff because it wasn't fair to the winner of the first game to have to beat a very good football team twice. Even though there were plenty of Bama fans who agreed with me (granted, they thought they would win the first game) before the first game was played, I can't seem to find any that agree with that now. Knowing your fanbase better than I, what do you think the opinion would of most Alabama fans would be if the roles were reversed? If Bama had won the first game, and LSU had beaten them in the Championship game, how many Bama fans would be saying top 2 teams should be playing?

Personally, I think it should be top 2 teams, unless it forces a rematch and there is a comparable team available. Now if Bama had been the only 1 loss team, then I would have been ok with that. But I think it was very unfair for us to have to beat a great team twice and I also think it was unfair to Ok ST. Granted, I don't think they beat either one of us, but I still believe they deserved a chance to try.



I appreciate it man.

I'm not a fan of rematches either but it doesn't seem right to penalize the losing team because "people don't like rematches" when the majority of people think those two teams are the best two. Clearly LSU and Bama were and just because Okie St didn't have an opportunity to lose to LSU in the regular season doesn't mean they earned the right to lose to them in the post season.

If Bama had lost to Vanderbilt and didn't play LSU and Okie St's only loss was to unbeaten #1 ranked LSU, they too would have deserved the title shot. Under that scenario, I couldn't say Bama and LSU would have been the best two teams in the country with a straight face if we had lost to Vandy and I think it's probable that Vandy is a better team than Iowa St. I think that's really what we saw from Okie St fans. I don't think many of them actually believed they were better than Bama or LSU and frankly, a team that plays in a conference that has done what the SEC has done over the last 5 years (now 6) deserves the benefit of the doubt in a scenario like this one.

If the roles were reversed, that would suck period. I wouldn't have liked the rematch but I wouldn't have felt like LSU didn't have a legit claim to be in the game if most people believed they were the 2nd best team in the nation. IMO, and people can agree or disagree as is their right, the title game should be between the two best teams period, every single time, and nothing should EVER stop that even if they played twice before. It's not about seeing new match-ups....it's about determining the best and our system doesn't allow for every top 10 team to play all the others nor can it. At some point a judgement will have to be made. It's the best system we've ever had but it's not perfect.

I understand some Okie St fans feeling like they got cheated out of a chance but you don't earn a spot in the title game by having the foresight not to play the #1 team during the regular season. No one, and I mean no one believes that Okie St would have beaten LSU in the regular season or in the title game (save the team division I think we saw on 1/09/12). I think LSU would have beaten Okie St like a drum and of course I believe we would have too. If I believe that, why would I ever be OK with Okie St replacing us or, in the hypothetical you offered, a LSU team who lost only to undefeated Bama.

People may not have liked it and I get that but the voters got it right. There was no perfect scenario because of all that happened but I honestly believe the BCS got it right.

Bottom line, as much as it would have pained me, flip the scenario and I would have wanted and even expected a 1 loss LSU team to play Bama over a 1 loss Okie St team who lost to Iowa St. Not because I like rematches but because it would have been a lie to call Okie St #2 imo.

Reply Feb 16
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by BamaFan1137
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Originally posted by BamaFan1137:



Originally posted by LSUTIGER21:
1137,

You are a respected poster on this site and we appreciate your non-flaming honesty that your provide. I get along with Bama fans. I've always enjoyed interacting with them and despite the opinions of many here, I find Bama fans and LSU fans generally have the most in common compared to other SEC schools.

I'm on record before the first game saying that I was against a rematch. We were both really good this year. In most years both teams run the table and become undefeated National Champs. I said before the first game that I was againts a playoff because it wasn't fair to the winner of the first game to have to beat a very good football team twice. Even though there were plenty of Bama fans who agreed with me (granted, they thought they would win the first game) before the first game was played, I can't seem to find any that agree with that now. Knowing your fanbase better than I, what do you think the opinion would of most Alabama fans would be if the roles were reversed? If Bama had won the first game, and LSU had beaten them in the Championship game, how many Bama fans would be saying top 2 teams should be playing?

Personally, I think it should be top 2 teams, unless it forces a rematch and there is a comparable team available. Now if Bama had been the only 1 loss team, then I would have been ok with that. But I think it was very unfair for us to have to beat a great team twice and I also think it was unfair to Ok ST. Granted, I don't think they beat either one of us, but I still believe they deserved a chance to try.



I appreciate it man.

I'm not a fan of rematches either but it doesn't seem right to penalize the losing team because "people don't like rematches" when the majority of people think those two teams are the best two. Clearly LSU and Bama were and just because Okie St didn't have an opportunity to lose to LSU in the regular season doesn't mean they earned the right to lose to them in the post season.

If Bama had lost to Vanderbilt and didn't play LSU and Okie St's only loss was to unbeaten #1 ranked LSU, they too would have deserved the title shot. Under that scenario, I couldn't say Bama and LSU would have been the best two teams in the country with a straight face if we had lost to Vandy and I think it's probable that Vandy is a better team than Iowa St. I think that's really what we saw from Okie St fans. I don't think many of them actually believed they were better than Bama or LSU and frankly, a team that plays in a conference that has done what the SEC has done over the last 5 years (now 6) deserves the benefit of the doubt in a scenario like this one.

If the roles were reversed, that would suck period. I wouldn't have liked the rematch but I wouldn't have felt like LSU didn't have a legit claim to be in the game if most people believed they were the 2nd best team in the nation. IMO, and people can agree or disagree as is their right, the title game should be between the two best teams period, every single time, and nothing should EVER stop that even if they played twice before. It's not about seeing new match-ups....it's about determining the best and our system doesn't allow for every top 10 team to play all the others nor can it. At some point a judgement will have to be made. It's the best system we've ever had but it's not perfect.

I understand some Okie St fans feeling like they got cheated out of a chance but you don't earn a spot in the title game by having the foresight not to play the #1 team during the regular season. No one, and I mean no one believes that Okie St would have beaten LSU in the regular season or in the title game (save the team division I think we saw on 1/09/12). I think LSU would have beaten Okie St like a drum and of course I believe we would have too. If I believe that, why would I ever be OK with Okie St replacing us or, in the hypothetical you offered, a LSU team who lost only to undefeated Bama.

People may not have liked it and I get that but the voters got it right. There was no perfect scenario because of all that happened but I honestly believe the BCS got it right.

Bottom line, as much as it would have pained me, flip the scenario and I would have wanted and even expected a 1 loss LSU team to play Bama over a 1 loss Okie St team who lost to Iowa St. Not because I like rematches but because it would have been a lie to call Okie St #2 imo.



Damn. What a brilliant post. (no homo)

Reply Feb 17
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by Tide_Broker
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Originally posted by LSUTIGER21:
Yea, there really isn't any situation where it would be fair to all. I really didn't complain too much about it and really don't now either. While I do think it was unfair for LSU to have to beat Bama twice to win it, I also think we were the 2 best teams and that should mean something. But at the same time, I do believe that it was unfortunate that Ok St didn't get a chance to prove everyone wrong. At least if they had picked Ok ST to play then only Bama would be getting screwed. With Bama in both LSU and Ok St got screwed ;)



In a perfect world, Okie St would have played Bama in a play-in game but don't kid yourself, the #4 team would have then complained about not getting a chance to prove everyone wrong.

I do regret that Okie St didn't get a chance to prove everyone wrong. I too wished we'd had a perfect system in place that could have accounted for this scenario in one year but not have the same play-in game in other years where it was more clear which 2 teams were #1 and #2. If we had played Okie St in a play-in game, it would be better for us too because there wouldn't be any questions or doubt about our title (not that I care but it gives people an excuse to trash a very real accomplishment).

I completely disagree with your feeling that LSU got screwed by having to play Bama twice. LSU should have expected to play the second best team in the country, no matter who it was, and they did. FWIW, I believe LSU did expect that and Miles' comments on the subject seem to support that. What I believe you're saying, and I mean no flame here but rather just reading through what I THINK you wrote, is that LSU deserved to play the lesser team (Okie St) because of the season you had and because you had already beaten Bama. I disagree with that 100%. If Bama was #2, you needed to play and beat them again which was no easy task because our teams were so evenly matched. Title games aren't supposed to be easy and the teams are supposed to be evenly matched.

IMHO, LSU didn't get screwed at all. You lost a NC game and that's the extent of it. And also, just imo, but LSU would have been more screwed by playing a lesser team (in most peoples opinions) for a NC rather than play the 2nd best team just because they already played them. It would have cheapened it imo and I would feel the same way if the roles were reversed and that is why I would have wanted to play LSU again in your hypothetical. I'd rather play and lose to the real #2 than play and beat the #3 just to shut the naysayers up.

Reply Feb 17
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by BamaFan1137
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Originally posted by BamaFan1137:

Originally posted by LSUTIGER21:
Yea, there really isn't any situation where it would be fair to all. I really didn't complain too much about it and really don't now either. While I do think it was unfair for LSU to have to beat Bama twice to win it, I also think we were the 2 best teams and that should mean something. But at the same time, I do believe that it was unfortunate that Ok St didn't get a chance to prove everyone wrong. At least if they had picked Ok ST to play then only Bama would be getting screwed. With Bama in both LSU and Ok St got screwed ;)



In a perfect world, Okie St would have played Bama in a play-in game but don't kid yourself, the #4 team would have then complained about not getting a chance to prove everyone wrong.

I do regret that Okie St didn't get a chance to prove everyone wrong. I too wished we'd had a perfect system in place that could have accounted for this scenario in one year but not have the same play-in game in other years where it was more clear which 2 teams were #1 and #2. If we had played Okie St in a play-in game, it would be better for us too because there wouldn't be any questions or doubt about our title (not that I care but it gives people an excuse to trash a very real accomplishment).

I completely disagree with your feeling that LSU got screwed by having to play Bama twice. LSU should have expected to play the second best team in the country, no matter who it was, and they did. FWIW, I believe LSU did expect that and Miles' comments on the subject seem to support that. What I believe you're saying, and I mean no flame here but rather just reading through what I THINK you wrote, is that LSU deserved to play the lesser team (Okie St) because of the season you had and because you had already beaten Bama. I disagree with that 100%. If Bama was #2, you needed to play and beat them again which was no easy task because our teams were so evenly matched. Title games aren't supposed to be easy and the teams are supposed to be evenly matched.

IMHO, LSU didn't get screwed at all. You lost a NC game and that's the extent of it. And also, just imo, but LSU would have been more screwed by playing a lesser team (in most peoples opinions) for a NC rather than play the 2nd best team just because they already played them. It would have cheapened it imo and I would feel the same way if the roles were reversed and that is why I would have wanted to play LSU again in your hypothetical. I'd rather play and lose to the real #2 than play and beat the #3 just to shut the naysayers up.



If LSU had to play OKie State it most definitely wouldn't have cheapened anything regarding LSU's season. We play one of if not the toughest schedules in the country last season. WVU won the Big East, Oregon won the Pac. We played 8-9 ranked teams. There would have been nothing cheap about LSU's championship season if we then had to face the Big 12 champion as well. Sorry.

You can't fault any LSU fan or discredit their opinion on the belief that LSU already took care of business when it came to Alabama during the regular season, just like I won't discredit any Alabama fan who believes they belonged in the NC. Its not so cut and dry from either side and I have no problems that we had to face you guys again. The better team on that day won and did it in convincing fashion proving that Alabama deserved their spot in the game. We will just agree to disagree that there would have been anything cheap about having to beat the Big 12 championship team if that is who we had to play instead of your team.

Reply Feb 18
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by Ice_17
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Originally posted by Ice_17:

If LSU had to play OKie State it most definitely wouldn't have cheapened anything regarding LSU's season. We play one of if not the toughest schedules in the country last season. WVU won the Big East, Oregon won the Pac. We played 8-9 ranked teams. There would have been nothing cheap about LSU's championship season if we then had to face the Big 12 champion as well. Sorry.

You can't fault any LSU fan or discredit their opinion on the belief that LSU already took care of business when it came to Alabama during the regular season, just like I won't discredit any Alabama fan who believes they belonged in the NC. Its not so cut and dry from either side and I have no problems that we had to face you guys again. The better team on that day won and did it in convincing fashion proving that Alabama deserved their spot in the game. We will just agree to disagree that there would have been anything cheap about having to beat the Big 12 championship team if that is who we had to play instead of your team.



I wasn't trying to discredit anyone's take or opinion on the situation. I was just saying I disagreed. I can respect an opinion and disagree with it.
Reply Feb 18
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by BamaFan1137
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Originally posted by CalTigerAl:
typical bama bs.

Funny how the two best teams argument works when you lost your division and didnt even play in the sec champioship.

But the 2 best teams argument works for you this year.


When it was a different situation your coach thought you had to win your conference championship.

But now in a revelation it should be the 2 best teams.

But thats bama fans. Blinded and feel the way best works for them at this moment.


Your program cheats. You know it. And you just dont care as long as you win.

Pretty much like our government.

In the meantime our country and the SEC is run by a bunch of cheating, slimy scumbags who do nothing but rape the words in our constitution and declaration of independence.

Win , steal, plunder and then bask in your money and titles.

The word integrity, Honor and charachter should never be used in the same sentence with Bama when talking sports.

Enjoy your bought and paid for cheating refs, your scumbag fans, and your win at all costs mentality.

Tell us all about how many championships you got again. And how great the bear was. And how great saban is. I am sure it gets you up in the morning.

You know instead of your coaches getting statues out in front of the stadiums it should be the real people responsible.

All the SEC Refs and Bought and paid for people in the SEC office that make sure you dont get severely punished for all your recruiting violations.

They are the true statue deservers.



Wow....it sounds like you guys got screwed, eh?

Cartman Licks Tears

Reply Mar 16
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by BamaFan1137
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Originally posted by BamaFan1137:

Originally posted by CalTigerAl:
typical bama bs.

Funny how the two best teams argument works when you lost your division and didnt even play in the sec champioship.

But the 2 best teams argument works for you this year.


When it was a different situation your coach thought you had to win your conference championship.

But now in a revelation it should be the 2 best teams.

But thats bama fans. Blinded and feel the way best works for them at this moment.


Your program cheats. You know it. And you just dont care as long as you win.

Pretty much like our government.

In the meantime our country and the SEC is run by a bunch of cheating, slimy scumbags who do nothing but rape the words in our constitution and declaration of independence.

Win , steal, plunder and then bask in your money and titles.

The word integrity, Honor and charachter should never be used in the same sentence with Bama when talking sports.

Enjoy your bought and paid for cheating refs, your scumbag fans, and your win at all costs mentality.

Tell us all about how many championships you got again. And how great the bear was. And how great saban is. I am sure it gets you up in the morning.

You know instead of your coaches getting statues out in front of the stadiums it should be the real people responsible.

All the SEC Refs and Bought and paid for people in the SEC office that make sure you dont get severely punished for all your recruiting violations.

They are the true statue deservers.



Wow....it sounds like you guys got screwed, eh?

Cartman Licks Tears




Obviously you are too young or too Ignorant to know half the BS that has went on with the REC club for years. Think about it, all the state of Alabama has is football. Without it Bama isn't even on the map, so why not win at all costs in order to be known.


Congrats, You beat Jordan Jefferson, feel better?


Wait til you see a real QB that can go off for 2-300 ypg while having a stable of great RB's.

I cannot wait til 11/3/12 with Zach at QB.

Reply Mar 18
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by 03_TIGERS_07
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I'm getting in a little late on this, but after Upshaw ran over the guy 40 times during the game, you don't know what he might have tried to do to Upshaw in a pileup, or what he might have said about Upshaws mother. Just saying.
Reply Apr 8
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by Crimsonite1