OBS fires assistant coach in phone call

Question

Spurrier always a class act.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Tkinard43.

Answer 1

Coach Sweeney stood up for his university when he was told someone took a dig at it. I am very proud of the way he did it. Anything less would have not surficed. I would think under similar circumstances he would do the same thing and I for one would support him again.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by cufbfan.

Answer 2

And Dan took a beating for saying that!!!! He like you had no facts to back it up

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 3

Spurrier had no clue that was ever put out or attributed to him publically until Dabo's commented. It sure wasn't any sort of hot topic on the message boards

Oh yes he knew was out there because his daughter told him before Dabo said anything. Heck FGF had it up for a while

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 4

I didn't necessarily see it as taking up for his university - it was more of an attack on another university, which is very unusual to see coming from a head coach. Typically those guys don't say what they're thinking - they just give out the standard media-speak and on they go.

The point IMHO wasn't to take up for Clemson, but to inject some life into the fanbase and team, who were doing a lot of grumbling after two not-so-great weeks against NCSU and USC. And it worked perfectly - for example on this board all of the threads almost instantaneously shifted from talking about what coaches to fire and what players were giving effort, to railing on USC and mostly 'positive' talk. And it worked - it shifted the mindset of Clemson nation and helped them put the negative behind and get focused on the ACC championship. Not something you see every day from a head coach in the way he did it, but it was extremely effective and a well laid plan.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 5

You didn't think he was taking up for Clemson??????????

Good grief grassy nole I guess

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 6

Sure that was a small part of it, but was not the primary motive. The primary motive was to redirect from the negative to the positive. The speech wasn't given because Dabo felt Clemson needed to be defended from an attack and a quote that Spurrier never even made...but was given because the fanbase, team, and all others needed a kick in the butt to get them away from the grumbling and back to thinking about the ACC champ game. It worked

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 7

And you know this how?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 8

OK who does this person work for? No names needed and where did he go to school???? I think you can answer that. I would never give my e-mail on here have you lost your mind

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 9

LOL...it's my opinion. It also seems pretty obvious to me what the intent was. What is your opinion?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 10

You are talking like you know the facts. I think he was taking up for Clemson and I think TE or SOS sent a low blow. Dabo was pissed at the reporter that ask the stupid question but you coots will always make more out of it than what it was.
Some how y'all have tried to make Dabo look bad and SOS a saint.
I still think Todd was repeating what SOS said. Because Todd aint smart enough to come up with that on his own.
You said it's been reported by many outlets that it was staged. Show me LINK it. tweet that

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 11

No - i'm offering my opinion. I also don't try to make Dabo look bad and Spurrier look good. In this case in fact i've repeatedly said what Dabo did worked and never said it was 'bad'. But again that goes back to the board paranoia of some i've spoken on before - where your first reaction to anything posted by a USC fan is to find where the angle is and interpret it any way you can as being 'bad' toward Clemson and 'good' toward USC.

As for it being staged - again that's opinion - as I know you're taking your usual angle, but you're not going to find a link that proves it was staged. But I am certainly not the only person who has suggested it was (which again is not to be interpreted as 'bad'), and if it wasn't then kudos to Dabo for knowing all of those facts about USC. As for the quote, it has been reported by every outlet who wrote any article about it -- that is was a Todd Ellis quote that was mistakenly attributed to Spurrier in a tweet. Google it and you will find every article says the same. Yet for some reason you still seem to want to believe Spurrier said it. If he did - show me a link - as I can show you plenty that says he didn't.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 12

It's always intersting to see the assumptions made on message boards.

The chain of events go something like this


1) Assume the worst if it's done by someone you don't support.

2) Assume the best if it's done by someone you do support.

Assumptions are the root level of either action.

I don't consider it classy or unclassy. I've known people that were fired over the phone - because they didn't want to go in and talk to the boss. They got a call, were asked to come in, and told the boss they wanted to know the problem right then- and weren't interested in coming in and hearing it face to face.

I'm sure there are others out there that want to be called in to the office, sat down, and discuss the matter face to face. That would be pure torture for me.

I don't see one as classy and the other one not classy.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 13

Of course those that worship at the altar of the ball sack won't find it unclassy.

No news here.

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 14

Of course those that worship at the altar of the ball sack won't find it unclassy.

No news here.

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 15

So you would be ok with your boss calling you on the phone to fire you.

You would think !!! What a classy guy? Please TS this is a chicken shaytt move and you know it.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 16

Not assuming things with any bias tsport. Just making an observation as I see it based on past actions (just my opinion of course).

Spurrier's actions are right in line with his past behavior as an arrogant prick/bully who likes to belittle his opponents and take shots at them when he is riding high, but is very thin skinned and hard to find when things are not so good.


To be fair, Dabos' actions are right in line with his past behavior as a childish, immature clown in the recent remarks he made about the Gamecocks as well as his normal irrational rants. He is very thin skinned as well when anyone questions his actions or is critical of his decisions.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Tkinard43.

Answer 17

Wrong Dabo done what he should have done when SOS went to running that mouth. People used to kill TB for not showing emotion and now they kill Dabo when he does. Tweet that
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 18

If he was going to fire me- yes. I see absolutely no need to go through the motion of being called into the office and fired face to face as opposed to another man just telling me straight up.

I've worked free of an office for a long time. I had much rather someone tell me as quick as possible. Going through the motions of coming into an office, sitting down, and walking out with everyone knowing what had just happened wouldn't be my preference under any circumstance.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 19

Who worships a coach?

As anyone that pays even half attention on this site obviously knows, I sure don't as I have disagreed with Spurrier (and every other coach in America) many times.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 20

Spurrier is arrogant. I agree. But I think Dabo is as well. I think almost all coaches are arrogant.

I don't think firing a coach on the phone is indicative of that mentality though. Spurrier's action earlier this year with Ron MOrris is indicative of that in my opinion. Our fans loved it. Clemson fans would love it as well if Dabo threw Bart Wright completely under the bus. They'd go nuts and be in love with him for doing it. But I didn't think Spurrier should have done it. It was a deflection; a planned event.


I understand folks that think it's only proper to sit down face to face with someone who you are firing, but as someone that works free of an office, I can't imagine anything worse than having to sit down and have someone do that to me face to face. I had much rather hear it straight out - on the phone, or whatever. But again, that's me.

I didn' think Dabo's actions were childish. I thought they were calculated. Dabo knew Spurrier didn't say what was attributed to him. But a mistake in the football office gave him the opportunity - and he took it. He ran with it as a smart coach will do to try to deflect and make a point. I thought it wasn't too awful classy to include South Carolina in his diatribe in such a personal way. But he did and that's water under the bridge.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 21

Spurrier did not say it, T Ellis did, but don't let facts get in your way.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by hubstar55.

Answer 22

Yeah it only took SOS how many days to say he didn't say it?

You sure T Ellis wasn't repeating what he heard?
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 23

Why should SOS have to deny anything? He is not responsible for what others say any more than you are. If it really bothered Dabo, shouldn't he man up and ask if/why it was said?

"You sure T Ellis wasn't repeating what he heard?" Are you sure T Ellis WAS repeating what he heard? If not, You should not have made the following post, imo.

Originally posted by 4forcu:
Wrong Dabo done what he should have done when SOS went to running that mouth. People used to kill TB for not showing emotion and now they kill Dabo when he does. Tweet that
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by hubstar55.

Answer 24

Spurrier had no clue that was ever put out or attributed to him publically until Dabo's commented. It sure wasn't any sort of hot topic on the message boards.

Spurrier has a history of saying things himself- in public- to the media directly, not speaking through others to drop any one liners that he could easily deny. If Spurrier was going to say such a thing, he'd have said it himself in the post game press conference or a media gathering. But in reality he did the opposite after the Clemson game, and stuck to talking about the stats of the game in the post game news conference.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 25

It didn't bother Dabo. A media member told me that he fully believed that it was a planned event. As the media member told me - if Spurrier had really said that - the media would have been all over a statement like that.

This post was edited on 1/31 2:42 PM by SGamecock3

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 26

Been reported several places that it was a planned event. Definitely seemed that way. Also everyone knows by this point (whether or not they admit it) that Spurrier didn't say it, but at the time maybe Dabo thought he did. Either way Dabo was probably going to stage that event to get the fanbase and the team back on track. And it worked. It will also go down as one of those 'moments' in the rivalry, and as the season and especially the game gets closer will be interesting to see how much play it gets. All good rivalry fun...great to see it getting heated again
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 27

Wrong SOS kid told him before Dabo made the comments!!!!

Oh but SOS would never say such a thing!!! He's never put down other schools.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 28

Who is this socalled media member???? I'm calling BS
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 29

Been reported several places that it was a planned event. Definitely seemed that way. Also everyone knows by this point (whether or not they admit it) that Spurrier didn't say it, but at the time maybe Dabo thought he did. Either way Dabo was probably going to stage that event to get the fanbase and the team back on track. And it worked. It will also go down as one of those 'moments' in the rivalry, and as the season and especially the game gets closer will be interesting to see how much play it gets. All good rivalry fun...great to see it getting heated again

Where has it been reported that is was staged ??? LINK???

Other than FGF If it were staged don't you think the media would be ALL OVER Dabo for doing that??????????????
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 30

4forCu - you are an interesting case study. You ignore what someone says, change the meaning, and then repost it as if they had said something else.

Let's try this once again


you wrote "but SOS would never say such a thing!!! He's never put down other schools."

I wrote

"Spurrier HAS A HISTORY OF SAYING THINGS HIMSELF- in public- to the media directly, not speaking through others to drop any one liners that he could easily deny."



No one, certainly not me, has every even hinted that Steve Spurrier- of all people - doesn't say things about other schools. But- and here is the different- he says it himself. He enjoys his one liners about other schools. He's famous for them. He's not someone that goes around letting others drop his one liners for him. If he wants to drop a one liner at a school, he does it himself.


You also wrote "Wrong SOS kid told him before Dabo made the comments!!!"

“Why would I be mad at Dabo?” Spurrier asked? He went on to say that he didn’t hear all of Swinney’s comments. “I don’t want to hear it all, I don’t care what he says. It is a free country and we can all say what we want.”

Spurrier seemed most upset that the USC official Twitter feed misquoted him, leading to the Swinney tirade. Spurrier said. Scott Morgan was the person tweeting on the account, but Spurrier said Morgan will no longer be tweeting.

“I’m embarrassed that we allowed it. I am embarrassed we allowed a guy like that to put anything in the world he wanted in that tweet.”
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 31

of course you would. That's your style - and even after I prove it I doubt you'll admit it.


I'll be glad to forward the email to you between me and the media member. Post an email address, or create a temporary one and you can read it yourself.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 32

Just man up and post it here so all can read
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 33

Dan Scott talked about on his radio show after it happened, and he said quite a few times that he thought it was either staged or something close to it.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 34

No thanks.

I'm not posting an email. I don't think that's proper. I'll be glad to forward it to you. What you do with it is up to you.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 35

Dabo prefaced his statements by saying that he was not sure sos made the statement and how dissapointed he was in sos if indeed he did make such a statement. I bleed orange but I did not hear one word that night that was untrue or that I did not agree with. Tweet that.
Originally posted on The Bad Apple by cufbfan.

Answer 36

the gamecock fans take over all these threads as soon as they come up!!

love it.. keep going!

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by patnaude.

Answer 37

True, but typically that's a sign for you to be extremely careful in what you say after prefacing it that way. After all, you've just admitted that you aren't sure if you know or have all the facts. When you are in that situation, that's why you tread the lightest.

Of course you didn't hear any words where you would disagree. I doubt any Clemson fan fand would say different. I think that's expected.

It's not unusual for coaches to drop a few one liners against another team. Steve Spurrier has made a living off of it for years- rightly or wrongly. It is unusual to see a coach go off on another school that way and sort of throw the entire school under the bus. That isn't common. I personally thought it was silly. But of course that's the other side of the coin view.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 38

I still stand by my original premise/opinion---

Spurrier= arrogant prick who takes shots at others when he is riding high but disappears like a cockroach when the light is turned on when he is a loser
Dabo= arrogant dumbass who can't coach his way out of a paperbag and needs to stay miles away from any microphone that he comes in contact with

Also, both do have a common trait= cannot take any sort of criticism directed at them

This post was edited on 2/2 1:58 PM by Tkinard43

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Tkinard43.

Answer 39

Now you're backing down you said alot of media was saying it was staged.

Show me and if you'll listen to Todd he refers to SOS when he made his grand little speech.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 40

If you don't Dabo is doing a good job then you are the dumbass

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 41

No - i'm not

Once again - google "dabo swinney rant" and click on any of the umpteen links that will come up. And like I asked - would love to see something...anything...that shows anyone anywhere who still actually thinks Spurrier said it and it wasn't a mistake. But keep on believing man..it's all good

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 42

All those links going to say it was staged?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 43

Been reported several places that it was a planned event

Your quote

I look up the dabo socalled rant not one said they thought it was staged

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 44

He took a baseball bat to beat the air - as he said himself - he wasn't sure if Spurrier said it or not.

He did that not because he believed Spurrier really said that (because if he had it would be in the newspapers all over the place) - but because he wanted to drum up some fight in his own team.

If coaches start ripping other schools and universities because of what they THINK someone else might have said, coaches are going to be spewing all sorts of junk at each other all the time.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 45

Dan taking a beating for saying it is irrelevant. Dan said it on the air.


What facts do you want? Once again, your try to confuse the situation. Unless Dabo comes out and admits it, we aren't going to have a "fact" of the matter. But we rarely have those on message boards and a lot of folks throw out stuff.


I've told you I am more than happy to forward you the emails from a media member that covers Clemson closely that thinks is was probably planned. It's his opinion - as it is my opinion. But you've chosen to ignore that request.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 46

You can easily, and quickly, create a temporary email to post and get the forwarded message. There are a thousand such sites out there.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 47

* During the broadcast of that game former Cock quarterback and current play-by-play voice Todd Ellis said

Answer 48

No - all of those links will tell you that Spurrier didn't say it. You are getting the two conversations confused. Do you still believe that Spurrier said it?

Like I said before - there are no links that are going to tell you for a fact that it was staged. I have read some opinions that think it was. I share that opinion, and that doesn't mean I think it's 'bad' or 'good' reflection on Dabo...I think it was a well-timed move to re-energize the team and fanbase ahead of the ACC champ game.

This post was edited on 2/2 3:17 PM by MotorCityChicken

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 49

I disagree - somewhat


I don't think Spurrier disappears at all. Heck, he's already taken several potshots back at Dabo, including one with Dabo sitting right behind him at the Shrine Bowl. That's not indicative of someone that disappears - to say it when the other coach is right behind you.


Yes, I do agree that both are arrogant.


Dabo just talks too much.

agree- neither are good at answering critical questions.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 50

I heard that. That