For all those who blasted me on Craig

Question

All I can say is that he's either the unluckiest man in that these women target him alone or he is what we said he is.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by oldtymekeeper.

Answer 1

He should have been gone long ago oldtyme. We agree.

I also like that Dabo didn't give him several chances like other coaches would have.

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 2

Dang...I can't believe he doesn't get 5 strikes.....

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Clemson Goat.

Answer 3

Lol me too

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 4

Not too many strikes available for beating women--nor should there be. Glad hes gone

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by tiger-gal2.

Answer 5

Yep, that sort of puts it in a different category.

Best wishes to him going forward.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 6

Trying to compare this to Garcia is laughable. Let's see, beating different women on two different occassions (those are the two people know about) vs. alcohol, keying a car, and discharging a fire extinguisher, do not even compare. Heck, add those three up with one of your player's bowlgame marijuana use and it still doesn't compare. Just saying, beating women is uncalled for and no matter what team an athlete plays for, should be automatically kicked off

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Garnet&Blackfan.

Answer 7

How many players have been allowed to continue to play for spurrier after a domestic abuse charge?

I don't think coot fans have any room to judge this issue.


Glad Dabo sent him packing although he was NEVER found guilty in court.

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 8

By the way, in no way am i defending Craig but will say women will "lie." Or maybe i should say some women will try to push the wrong buttons. Does that excuse Craig? No.

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 9

When I was younger I had a relative that would get up in her husbands face, spit at him, push at him, cuss him, dare him, etc etc. I seen it personally. When he would finally push her off, not hit her, push her away, she'd go screaming and crying to the police. Seriously.

When the police got there, me and another family member told the officer what she was doing. He arrested them BOTH although in my mind, he had really done nothing worthy of being arrested!

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 10

Answer = None. The closest we've come is Kerry Bonds back when Spurrier first came to USC. He was dismissed within a few days of the incident. Spurrier might be forgiving about many things but domestic violence is not one of them.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SCKLP.

Answer 11

"We have a rule on our football team, if a player ever hits a girl he's finished. He's out and our guys know that. We've dismissed two players in six years, hopefully we don't have to dismiss any more," said Spurrier. He said he'd like to see high school coaches make the stand against abuse as well.

Link: http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=139758

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Garnet&Blackfan.

Answer 12

He hasn't always lived by that rule. Sorry.

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 13

Anyone here want to tell the coot above the name of the player that played for Spurrier after a domestic violence arrest?

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 14

Sorry to disappoint but you won't get a name because there isn't one. There has only been 1 arrest (Bonds) and he was dismissed immediately. The other incident was an accusation of assault (report filed but no arrest) against Quinton Richardson and he was indefinitely suspended shortly thereafter and subsequently left the team. I encourage you to utilize the internet to search for these players we have not already named. Best of luck.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SCKLP.

Answer 15

I said played for Spurrier, Didn't say played for scar, has Spurrier ever coached elsewhere?

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 16

King...Giles

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Clemson Goat.

Answer 17

cootkeeper you should be proud, I was one that said he shouldn't be kicked off because their was no charges. Dabo gave him another chance! He blwe it and now he's gone.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 18

King. Isn't he the kid that the almighty recruited after he had been charged with domestic violence?

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 19

Men lie too.

When the police have to show up and both folks are bruised or cut or whatever, the excuses are over. The "well she is lying" is over.

YOu can't put yourself in such situations. I've been mad at women before growing up, but there is simply no excuse for putting yourself in a position to have to strike someone unless they come at your for absolutely no reason and you have to protect yourself - and then you should just take off and get out of there.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 20

Tsport that's why I said it doesn't excuse Craig. We agree.


I just disagree with always judging the man, yeah get out, get away but women CAN use being a woman an excuse to take advantage of situations.

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Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 21

Agree.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SGamecock3.

Answer 22

I agree but I also found out that this was not the first time the girl had done something like this. She was kicked out of another school for causing trouble and why Clemson let her in I'll never know.

My sister knows Joe's dad and Joe has always been a good kid and his dad does not put up with that. That's why I was on Joe's side to begin with but now he has to go period. I don't know what happened this time I don't know if it was with another girl or he started a fight with a guy. I do know he want be looking forward to home warming his dad will have for him.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 23

Well for the purpose of this conversation it certainly seemed that USC was the relevant team here. So your contention is that Spurrier has a history elsewhere of condoning domestic abuse? Interesting. What are your examples?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SCKLP.

Answer 24

I'll show you news articles about where McDaniel and Criag were accused of physical violence against women. Show me any news articles that indicate physical violence against women by Giles or King.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SCKLP.

Answer 25

In August 2006, before his first season at Georgia Military, North Charleston police arrested King and charged him with kidnapping and assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature following a two-hour argument with an ex-girlfriend.
The female, who was 17 years old at the time, told police King held her against her will at his home through various physical means.According to an incident report, King bent the girl's wrist, grabbed her around the throat and later slammed her to the ground before apologizing and allowing her to leave.


Here is a link to all the crap King was involved with....

Link: mash here

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Clemson Goat.

Answer 26

So your argument is that Spurrier was wrong for bringing King to USC after he left GMC because of the history of violence that occurred before he went to GMC (BTW, he was never prosecuted)? This conversation began regarding players on the respective teams being accused/arrested for battery on women while at their respective schools and being allowed to continue playing at that particular school. CU = 2 USC = 0. I personally would not have brought a player on board with ABHAN Kidnapping charges (dismissed or not). That

Answer 27

Jarvis Giles made a bunch of noise in the lobby of a USC dorm one night - something like that. For about 10 seconds it got picked up as a story until everyone realized it was absolutely nothing. On this board for about a day some folks tried to make it a big deal but then it even went away here. I'm impressed someone even remembers that because it only flashed for about 12 hours one day.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 28

OH so it doesn't matter want anybody does before they get to campus???

Run along Goat just took you to the wood shed

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 29

It's always nothing in cootville it's the police after them LOL

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 30

J. King says hello.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by clemtiger117.

Answer 31

"cootkeeper" gmafb the guy has a right to come and post this after the way you jumped down his throat. Craig should be never had another chance to play.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by clemtiger117.

Answer 32

I think what Scklp is saying is that a coach can be against domestic violence but yet still recruit a guy accused of domestic violence.

Does that make sense?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 33

Scklp says its ok to recruit King because he wasn't convicted yet Clemson should have run Craig off the first time although he wasn't convicted. Hmmm.

Hypocrisy?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by kurtfan1822.

Answer 34

1.Jan 2005 - SYVELLE NEWTON: Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny. Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
2.Jan 2005 - DONDRIAL PINKINS: Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny
3.Jan 2005 - FREDDY SAINT-PREUX: Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny. Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
4.Jan 2005 - RODRIQUES WILSON: Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny
5.Jan 2005 - BRIAN BROWNLESS: Arrested Stolen equip; grand larceny
6.Jan 2005 - WOODLY TELFORT: Arrested Stolen equip; grand larceny. Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
7.Mar 2005 - KEVIN MAINORD: Arrested First-degree burglary, simple larceny. Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
8.Mar 2005 - MOE THOMPSON: Arrested First-degree burglary, simple larceny. Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
9.Mar 2005 - DAVID McNEAL SMITH: Arrested First-degree burglary (charged with six offenses). Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
10.Apr 2005 - SYVELLE NEWTON: Arrested Charges later dropped, scuffle at Masonic Temple. Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
11.Apr 2005 - JOSH JOHNSON: Arrested Simple possession (marijuana). Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
12.Apr 2005 - TY ERVING: Arrested Simple possession (marijuana). Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
13.May 2005 - DUSTIN LINDSEY: Arrested DUI. Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
14.Oct 2005 - JOSH JOHNSON: Arrested Simple assault, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct, interfering with police, open container. Dismissed Violations of team rules relating to arrest
15.Nov 2005 - SCOTT MORGAN: Arrested DUI, open container Scott Morgan. Suspended Violations of team rules relating to arrest
16.Mar 2006 - SHEA McKEEN: Arrested Disorderly conduct, trespass after notice, failure to stop on police command. Suspended 3 games suspension, relating to arrest
17.Mar 2006 - DUSTIN LINDSEY: Arrested Disorderly conduct, trespass after notice, failure to stop on police command
18.Sep 2006 - BLAKE MITCHELL: Arrested for simple assault. Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
19.Oct 2006 - O.J. MURDOCK: Arrested for shoplifting. Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest, quit team
20.Oct 2006 - KERRY BONDS: Arrested Assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature. Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to his arrest
21.Jan 2006 - JONATHAN JOSEPH: Arrested Possession of marijuana
22.Feb 2007 - STEPHEN GARCIA: Arrested for public drunken, failure to stop for a police officer. Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
23.Mar 2007 - STEPHEN GARCIA: Arrested for malicious injury to personal property. Suspended for Violation of teams rules relating to arrest (not allowed to wear jersey during spring practice)
24.July 2007 - QUINTEN RICHARDSON: arrested for marijuana possession
25.Aug 2007 - EMMANUAL COOK: arrested for possession of fire arm on campus
26.MICHAEL McQUEENY: arrested in Charleston for drunk and disorderly conduct
27.DION LeCORN: arrested for marijuana possession
28.Mar 2008 - KEVIN YOUNG: Charged with resisting arrest and fighting while in 5 points
29.Mar 2008 - MIKE NEWTON: Charged with public disorderly conduct
30.Mar 2008 - STEPHEN GARCIA: Charged with underage drinking (improperly discharging a fire extinguisher)
31.Mar 2008 - HEATH BATCHELOR: Charged with underage drinking
32.Mar 2008 - ZAC BRINDISE: Charged with underage drinking
33.2/21/2009 - LADI AJIBOYE: Arrested for the purchase and simple possession of marijuana.
34.3/27/2009 - DUSTYN McELROY: Dismissed from the team after allegedly biting a man in the face during a fight outside the Village Idiot bar and restaurant in Five Points.
35.5/22/2009 - BEN AXON: The Tampa-area recruit who signed with South Carolina arrested this week on charges of possession with marijuana with intent to sell. According to published reports in Florida, Axon was a passenger in a car stopped by Bradenton police Wednesday night. The officer smelled marijuana, and Axon showed him 23 baggies of marijuana that he said belonged to him.
36.5/23/2009 - C.C. WHITLOCK: Arrested by the Fairfield County Sheriff

Answer 35

Yes your defense of a domestic abuser was sad

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by oldtymekeeper.

Answer 36

I never said he didn't have a right did I ?

Read my other post about Joe and you'll understand why I defended Joe.

What did he do this time?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 37

I guess reading comprehension must not be an area of strength here. I posed a question that had facts of the matter contained within. If you actually read a little further you might see that I said I wouldn't bring in someone with that history. I also wouldn't let someone who beats a female with a towel bar stay on my team or someone who beats and pushes a female down stairs and agrees to go through PTI instead of facing trial on the charges stay on my team. Still waiting on that information on Giles. Nice touch with the list Goat. No criminal activity up there in Pickens County. Right?

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SCKLP.

Answer 38

SCKLP you are spinning yourself in a hole.

Get the rap sheet out on Clemson the last 10 yrs and vs against yours.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 39

No spinning here. And while we are checking records I would suggest you take a serious look at violent crimes or incidents involving serious bodily injury at CU in the last 5 years. I like the list though. Interested to see how much it helps out in the big 3 of men's sports this year.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by SCKLP.

Answer 40

You sure you want to go down this path? You act like Clemson is so perfect. Why is it so hard for y'all (and our fans too) to see that crap happens at every institution. Please don't sit there and think that Clemson is perfect. Y'all aren't. We aren't. It's always going to be like that, so stop trying to justify stupid "arguments."

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Garnet&Blackfan.

Answer 41

You sure you want to go down this path? You act like Clemson is so perfect. Why is it so hard for y'all (and our fans too) to see that crap happens at every institution. Please don't sit there and think that Clemson is perfect. Y'all aren't. We aren't. It's always going to be like that, so stop trying to justify stupid "arguments."

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Garnet&Blackfan.

Answer 42

You are spinning as fast as you can. You have basically stated Domestic violence is okay as long as they are not currently enrolled at the University.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by clemtiger117.

Answer 43

Yep that's what he said

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 44

Wow, not sure where the coot vs CU comparisons have any relevance, oh wait its a fan message board. Nevermind.

Glad Dabo made the right call, and I'm sure he's embarrassed that a kid he trusted with a second chance failed to live up to the faith he showed in him.

Don't care what his dad does to him, kid deserves it and probably a little jail time wouldn't be bad to drive home the point.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by oldtymekeeper.

Answer 45

LOL you wouldn't believe what happened if I told you.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 46

I have never asserted that Craig should have been kicked off the team for the first incident. I don't have a problem with "scond chances."

My problem was that Craig was not criminally charged. Dereliction of duty by Clemson campus PD, and Dabo interfering with the criminal process. (And, if anybody answers that the first girl didn't press charges - that person knows absoluetly nothing about the law.)

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by sgacock.

Answer 47

I'd be interested in hearing your information on this part of your statement.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by Memphis CUTigers.

Answer 48

You really believe everything you read on FGF. Please tell us how Dabo interfered?? Can't wait for this one. Joe could have pressed charges against her but both decided not too.
You know nothing about the law if you think other wise.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.

Answer 49

I think what he means is that in domestic violence situations it's not up to the people involved as to whether or not they press charges. I think that varies by state though. Typically if 911 is called or police are on the scene the charges are automatic and up to the DA or police or whatever. I assume that is for protection as many times (in most cases women) the person being abused will not want to press charges...battered wife syndrome, fear of more abuse, etc, etc. So if you are a USC fan and want to go the fanatic conspiracy route, then you would say the CPD or whoever should have brought the charges, but to protect the athletes they just let it go. At least I assume that is where the conversation was or is headed.

This post was edited on 2/6 3:46 PM by MotorCityChicken

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by MotorCityChicken.

Answer 50

I'm not getting into this because I will blow a fuse but a family member was abuse and was ask would you like to press charges!!!!!

Yes was the answer but I thought why the hell ask that.

Originally posted on The Bad Apple by 4forcu.