Question about Greg Davis, Harsin

Question

Just curious if some Hornfans feel like Davis got a raw deal in being let go and being replaced by Harsin? Are most fans pleased with what they see out of Harsin or somewhat disappointed so far? From my perspective I can see giving him another year to prove himself. Obviously his qb decisions are a little baffling but that may work itself out with new talent coming in.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 1

Hell no. Harsin has a ways to go but wouldn't trade him back for GD any day...Sorry, Donny D

This post was edited on 2/11 9:22 PM by seahawkhorn Also sorry for the edits. This iPad can be a bitch to post on

This post was edited on 2/11 9:24 PM by seahawkhorn

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by seahawkhorn_R902.

Answer 2

Greg Davis is a very good QB coach, and he is capable at developing an offensive scheme. Where Davis was lacking was in talent evaluation and implementation (playcalling) of his schemes. I don't share the vitriol of most Texas fans when discussing Davis. However, his 13 years at Texas was sufficient IMO.

Harsin has not disappointed as a designer of the scheme or a playcaller. Evaluation was considered a strength of his coming in. Where he has not shown comperable skills to Davis is in QB development. That doesn't mean that he cannot excel there, but we haven't seen much evidence of it yet. I truly believe he expected Gilbert to take a significant step forward and become a leader. I fully expected that if we needed a backup to perform at the position, he would at least look capable if inexperienced. Neither of those came to fruition. I can accept that Ash wasn't given enough reps due to the grooming of Gilbert, but that won't be a valid excuse going forward. Ash's play vs Cal gives me confidence that a full off-season as the man will show itself in a positive way, but until I see it I can't credit Harsin with that ability.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by StevieRay8283_R902.

Answer 3

Not at all, not one single bit. Davis needed to go. If GD is our OC last year we win no more than 6 games IMO. Harisin found the playmakers and used them the most; he turned an inconsistent senior RB into a beast in the wildcat and running the ball until an unfortunate injury. He gave us a dominant run game when we hadn't sniffed one in years. He also had to work with a true freshman and a noodle armed sophomore at QB, in a complex offense.

I'm not disappointed at all, nobody should be; we won 8 games and our bowl game with a team who's offensive center pieces were injured for several games (one was season ending injury) and young QBs. What qb decisions were "baffling"? Please explain. The question or discussion of his future hasn't even come up and yet you make it sound like you're giving an opinion on a heavily discussed topic. The implication that his future is even remotely in jeopardy is kinda ridiculous. I think Harisin did about as well as anyone could do given what he had to work with.

I honestly don't know if you're just stupid or intent on always trying to be a flamer.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by HoustonLonghorn_R902.

Answer 4

Not flaming at all. Guess I'm just stupid huh? I said "from my perspective" never said it was a heavily discussed topic. UT did have some injuries and I think the UT running game was improved but to say flat out that it was dominant is a little over the top. Harsin has gone through 4 qb's, one being a 5*. The fact that he ended up going with Ash and McCoy is a little baffling yes. McCoy even starting a game at this level is very baffling. Just my opinion.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 5

Harsin did OK, considering that with which he had to work. The trick plays worked on the less disciplined defenses. They looked pathetic and desperate against the better defenses.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by LittleJoe24_R902.

Answer 6

What part of his QB decisions were baffling? Gilbert showed everyone he wasn't it by way of 5-7. Case had no real experience and seriously lacks in basic skills. Ash was straight out of highschool and by all accounts was not given any meaningful snaps in early season practice due to being #4. Wood was a hybrid of case/ash.
He HAD to run more gimmicky plays to fabricate points because nobody would respect our QB play. I was doubtful our D was anygood preseason because surely our offense was that bad. Thankfully I was wrong. So what would have been a better option to go with? I couldn't tell. He'll, our best QB was shiply. Now, take away our 1st, 2nd, & 3rd string rb AND our best WR, AND the only QB with meaningful game time snaps away all at the same time. I am truly astounded that we even broke .500 this year. Seriously, what should or could Harsen have done differently? GD would have run an all east west/ shovel pass offense possibly to a 4-8 season. I have a strong feeling Ash will be the most improved player in the B12 next year. NOTE: Did not say the best, just most improved.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by GuaranteedFresh!_R902.

Answer 7

I don't think Gilbert was the problem, I know he looked horrible at times but so did the other 2 to finish the year. I think Gilbert would have won just as many games and maybe look real good next year. I bet the Sooners would have had a tougher game this year with Gilbert playing. It could look good down the road or another set back.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Mister_Moses_R902.

Answer 8

Moses, you have a pretty good point. Gilbert, as crappy as he was, looked at the very minimum as good as the spares Harsin ran in there after him.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by LittleJoe24_R902.

Answer 9

Gilbert was already damaged by the time Harsin got here. GD biggest problem is he got lazy and felt he would never be replaced.

Harsin will be fine with time to work with his players and develop Ash.

This has been asked and answered hundreds of times on this board. The reason you get snippy answers is because of that.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Jagged_Horn_R902.

Answer 10

I guess so.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by HoustonLonghorn_R902.

Answer 11

Gilberts main flaw was the inability to let negative plays go.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by GuaranteedFresh!_R902.

Answer 12

Davis went 5-7 with no OL(but 4 out 5 as upperclassmen including 3 seniors) or magic QB. Harsin with no OL(4 of 5 underclassmen including 2 freshman)or magic QB and installing a whole new offense went 8-5. Which coaching do you want calling the offense?

This post was edited on 2/12 2:34 AM by Longyac

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Longyac_R902.

Answer 13

his qb decisions were obviously a little baffling? what do you mean with that statement? if anything, his qb decisions made perfect sense.

gilbert starts because they need him to be the guy and ash gets a package to get used to the college game. gilbert falters so it turns into and ash/mccoy rotation. ash takes over command by looking like the better player. ash struggles leading the offense when injuries tear apart the running game, so mccoy gets another look because he took care of the ball better. then mccoy plays poorly and shows that he really shouldn't be a starting qb, so ash takes the spot back, has an encouraging bowl performance, and is the guy going into spring.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by timmyteat_R902.

Answer 14

How exactly were Harsin's QB decisions baffling? He had a sophomore that simply is not very good, a Jr that fell flat on his face and had a season ending injury, and a true freshman. Besides going with McCoy late in the season, I don't see anything that could really be construed as baffling, and that was understandable with the play of Ash.

As for Davis, it was time for him to go. His offense was bland and predictable. His biggest benefit was developing QBs, and he never developed Gilbert nor a backup option. Fans were clamoring for him to leave for years. Granted most of those were before 2005, but everyone lost faith in him. Again, simply put, he had to go.

As for Harsin's performance, I think his performance was adequate. I was pleased with him when the backs were healthy. He is definitely more created and diverse than GD, and I like that. Overall, his performance will be judged this next year. His system should be fully implemented with it being his second year. Ash will be in his second year, so we should get an idea of how well he does at developing QBs.

Under the circumstances, I don't see how anyone can label his first year as a disappointment. He was doing a complete overhaul of the offense, and then, you factor in the QB situation.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Tate17_R902.

Answer 15

There is no doubt in my mind that if GG had not gotten hurt, he would have received more snaps as the season went on due to bad qb play. Harsin's gimmicks really got exposed against faster teams, his plays are very slow developing.The offense Harsin ran out there in the bowl game even after the extra practices really did not look anymore in sync than at the first of the year. I think even the most loyal horn fans will admit that and that is why I would be concerned if I was a fan. Just my opinion.

This post was edited on 2/12 7:53 AM by Landryownsewe

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 16

And I guess you are just a p*s.You need to understand son that just because someone does not agree with your posts or does not over-indulge in the orange drank like you are known to do does not mean they are wrong. It means they have a different opinion than you do. It does not mean you are wrong either. It's a message board.

This post was edited on 2/12 7:59 AM by Landryownsewe

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 17

Get you panties out of your crack Myrtle.

You ask, he agreed.

I would not take Davis over Harsin.

Once we get the type of players we should have had all along on the O-line the new offense will be spectacular.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by EastCoastTexan_R902.

Answer 18

No this is just an example of him thinking if a post does not agree with his way of thinking then it's wrong. He is a strong cross between Don Drysdale and a MIW and it is getting really old. There is no give and take with him. I try to be respectful with my responses to him but that will be changing.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 19

A better question is "will Heupel get another year?". He took the #1 rated team and Heisman hopeful and turned them into a gimmicky offense in the red zone. If you want to see baffling playcalling, look no further than Norman.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Jagged_Horn_R902.

Answer 20

First of all, gramps, I answered your question in your OP, I'm sorry you don't like me questioning your intelligence. I don't care if you have a different opinion than me, but I do find your constant flaming annoying.

You've been asked and asked about the "baffling" comment and have yet to give a reasonable explanation for why you said it; and half your post implies Texas fans opinion of Harisin could be something other than positive. I find it hard to believe anyone could look at Texas' 2011 season objectively and think anyone could have done much better than Harisin with what players we had and the injuries we experienced. You guys rip us for how terrible you think our QBs are and then make posts like this that don't give Harisin credit for doing well anyway, despite such a handicap. I don't think he runs near as many trick plays if our qb is a little better, and when we lost fozzy he really had to get creative.

And I think you can make an argument for Texas' run game being dominant when you consider the qb situation. It's much harder to run the ball, let alone be successful at it, when the other team doesn't respect your qb. Dominant is probably an exaggeration in describing the whole season, but it was dominant at times and I'd say very good all season.



Thats simply not true; I'm able to conversate with other rival fans all the time. And even despite my disdain for 90% of your posts, if you post something reasonable I don't let that disdain prevent me from responding reasonably. You just happen to almost never post anything reasonable. I resent your comparison to DD probably more than anything, I'm nothing like him, thats ridiculous; and I would never want to be a mod. Your whole MIW shtick is super dumb and annoying, give it a rest.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by HoustonLonghorn_R902.

Answer 21

True it can go both ways but I think you would also admit Harsin came in much more ballyhooed. Harsin's whole offense is based on sleight of hand and trickery. Heupel went to a power running game formation in the red zone. Big difference. Teams knew what was coming and they could not stop it. Smash mouth with Bell.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 22

And for the record, I agree, you are stupid.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by EastCoastTexan_R902.

Answer 23

Landry,

Your little remarks to TWUL is growing tiresome. Again, know your place. I have no problem banning one or both of you if it continues to grow into a p!ssing match. You are the visitor, you would be first to go.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Jagged_Horn_R902.

Answer 24

And for the record, I agree, you are stupid.Don't flatter yourself, you're entitled to your opinions but you're basically irrelevent.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 25

Fair enough point taken

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Landryownsewe_R902.

Answer 26

That is the story you interpreted from one single game?

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by schiaffer_R902.

Answer 27

I don't think you can really get a measure of the a coordinator for at least 3 years, probably more like 5. I don't know how Harsin will turn out. He still has much to prove. But getting rid of GD was the right move. Overall he did a good job, but the Texas offense really needed to evolve and change isn't GD's strength.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by Pearland_Sooner_R902.

Answer 28

Landry, you live here. You can't seriously act like you have no clue how Texas fans thought about Davis and feel about harsin currently. But nice way to spend your Saturday night on february all over Texas.rivals not flaming, yet doing a lot of apologizing. You are one cool dude.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by TEXASwinsYOUlose_R902.

Answer 29

Since when is a rush between the tackles with two lead blockers a gimmick?

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by LittleJoe24_R902.

Answer 30

GD never got the credit he deserved. Save for a poor ability to make halftime adjustments, he was a damn good OC. I still give him a bit of a pass on the adjustments as I think Mack gives his staff more leeway today than he did previously. Mack alluded to as much prior to this past season.

I think it's a little early to judge Harsin, but there were definitely times last year where the job seemed bigger than him. OU was significantly better than UT this past season, but our gameplan for that game was terrible in my opinion. I also felt like we got away for the run too much against KSU and OSU. I still believe Harsin will be a great OC for us and the Gilbert situation was a disaster, but this past year Diaz was clearly the better of the two.

Originally posted on Longhorn Sports by bdchorn_R902.