When are sportswriters going to learn about FSU????

Question

ESPN's odds for next year's BCS Champs

LSU Tigers: 4.5 to 1 odds
Alabama Crimson Tide: 5 to 1
USC Trojans: 8 to 1
Oregon Ducks: 10 to 1
Oklahoma Sooners: 12 to 1
Florida State Seminoles: 12 to 1
Georgia Bulldogs: 12 to 1

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by Ghost of Spaceheater.

Answer 1

we get ranking and "BCS Championship odds" dap every spring!

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by joenole1986.

Answer 2

That actually seems fair to me. The path is laid out for them to get to the BCS title game due to a weak schedule if they are even semi competent.

Now, for them to win it, you would need a Boise or someone to sneak in there as the opponent, but it could theoretically happen.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 3

UGA's odds are way too high as well. I know they have an easy schedule, but they aren't playing in a national title as long as Richt is still coaching.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by PacoGator19.

Answer 4

even when we were at our lowest point a few years go, they still had us at worst case like 30-1 or better. This is nothing new.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by travnole.

Answer 5

Mark it down:

Florida will win another title before FSU or UGA does. Herschel Walker ain't walking through that door, and neither is Charlie Ward. The 90's and early 80's are over. Title next year comes down to LSU, USC, and Bama.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JoakimWuerffel.

Answer 6

I just wrote it down, Joa.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by alaskanseminole.

Answer 7

This year it may be justified...not because they're good but because preseason, they have one of the worst schedules I've seen. If they don't win 10 games then someone needs to be fired. A break or two here or there and they could get there.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by oozie7.

Answer 8

Joa?

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JoakimWuerffel.

Answer 9

True, UF and UM are on the schedule.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by Nolez29.

Answer 10

Nolez29, just like at life...you fail. Try harder.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by oozie7.

Answer 11

Doesn't Vegas come out with odds on this stuff? Wonder what their take is.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by 93nole99.

Answer 12

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by alaskanseminole.

Answer 13

Let's bet on that one. Name the figure, I'm all in. Who wants to hold the escrow?

This post was edited on 2/15 7:04 PM by bobo88

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by bobo88.

Answer 14

Never heard Joakim shortened to Joa. How would that be pronounced? I've always seen Jo.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JoakimWuerffel.

Answer 15

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by alaskanseminole.

Answer 16

Not really bitching, I was mostly just curious as to why you shortened it to that. Make of it what you will, really.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JoakimWuerffel.

Answer 17

Sorry I spoke the truth.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by Nolez29.

Answer 18

Semi competent. I like that. Sounds like FSU's coaching staff.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JetSkiGator.

Answer 19

So we should be in the national championship game right?

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by NolePhin15.

Answer 20

That maybe true, but if we can shore up our OL and get decent play out of our QB we have the potential to win every game. This is a big if, but not out of the question. We are pretty solid everywhere else.

I would be happy for an average line and above average QB play and we have a great chance winning every game.

Our recruiting is starting to pay off. Players are developing, staying around, and producing. The players previous to JF were kicked off the team, never qualified, or were not that good.

JF is still learning (like ur coach) and I hope he learned his lesson last year in our losses.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by TexanNole.

Answer 21

True and UF and UM are probably the 2 toughest teams on your schedule as well. You had a terrible SOS for the 2011 season. You will probably have a worse SOS in the 2012 season then you just had in the 2011 season.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by PacoGator19.

Answer 22

UM and UF made a huge contribution on that "terrible" SOS in 2011, and will probably aid again in dragging it down in 2012.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by Nolez29.

Answer 23

Maybe so, but out of the 12 games you played UF and Miami in there down years is still better than over half of your schedule. The problem with FSUs schedule is you have teams like this on your schedule Wake Forest, Duke, Maryland, NC State, Boston College, Virginia and 2 out of conference cupcakes to open the season. You have nobody on your schedule to help you out when UF and Miami are down. FSU has been bad for the last 8-9 years and as you can see UFs SOS hasn't suffered from that. UF doesn't need FSU to be good to have a good SOS obviously because of the conference we are in. You don't have that luxury.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by PacoGator19.

Answer 24

You had a terrible SOS for the 2011 season. You will probably have a worse SOS in the 2012 season then you just had in the 2011 season.

TRUE - 68TH ACCORDING TO SAGARIN, 67TH ACCORDING TO JERRY PALM

UM and UF made a huge contribution on that "terrible" SOS in 2011, and will probably aid again in dragging it down in 2012.

FALSE - IF YOU RANKED FSU'S SCHEDULE WITHOUT INCLUDING THE UF GAME, IT WOULD BE IN THE 80S OR 90S. UF SUCKED LAST YEAR, WILL ALSO SUCK THIS YEAR, BUT IS STILL ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS ON FSU'S SCHEDULE.

This post was edited on 2/16 9:33 AM by BringBackBonner

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 25

Very good point.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by PacoGator19.

Answer 26

So you are optimistically expecting dramatic changes for the UF program. Good for you. You seem pretty sure about this, so I imagine you've put some thought in to it. About when can we expect to see it happen? Can you tell us if Muschamp is gonna be the coach who gets you there?

Link: Vegas Odds

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by 93nole99.

Answer 27

If anyone wants to wager on UF to win the 2013 title at 35-1, I am more than willing to accept those wagers.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 28

Why would I take UF off the schedule? To further your agrument?

What's your SOS without BAMA and LSU?

Tenn, Vandy, UAB, sisters of the poor.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by Nolez29.

Answer 29

Because you tried to make the boneheaded point that UF dragged down your SOS, when the reverse was true since UF was the 4th best team on there. Of course Bama and LSU made our schedule tougher, they were the only two elite teams we faced in 2011. What was your point again?

This post was edited on 2/16 9:50 AM by BringBackBonner

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 30

Just throwing jabs with another poster.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by Nolez29.

Answer 31

I think the more telling point about the "odds" is the order in which teams are listed as opposed to the payoff ratios. Kinda like a poll. In the Vegas odds...FSU is 7th on the list...UF is 18th. Personally, I'd be thrilled for the Noles to finish the 2012 season at #7. Seeing as UF was unranked at the end of 2011...is #18 acceptable for UF during a rebuild phase? My math has me thinking that's a minimum of winning 8.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by 93nole99.

Answer 32

Don't forget, those odds are not a prediction, those odds are designed to ensure that the books make money. Pumping up the odds on public teams (like a UF or FSU vs. someone who is good, but not well known like an Oklahoma State last year) is very common.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 33

I know the odds are about the money...just making an observation.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by 93nole99.

Answer 34

Fair enough. In response to your observation, if UF won 8 next year, I'd be thrilled. I think the o/u should be set at 6.5.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 35

I don't know what to expect from FSU. Top ten would be great, but until they do it, I won't expect it. Lower teens...OK. Upper teens and 20's mean we are staying about the same.

To get where folks want the Noles to be...they're gonna have to be in to double digit wins. That's a tall order.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by 93nole99.

Answer 36

You really think it's gonna be that bad? granted i haven't looked at your schedule, but verge of a losing season?

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by travnole.

Answer 37

I believe our offense will be worse next year. No idea what to expect at QB, lost 2 of our top 3 playmakers in Demps and Rainey, unproven and shallow WR corps, VERY shallow and completely unproven RBs.

It won't be pretty.

I think it's possible that we could be fighting to become bowl eligible next year again.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 38

Guess its better than someone shortening your name to Joak.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by mr_untouchable7.

Answer 39

Jury is still out on Muschamp. I'll be more certain after this season. What I DO know, are that Fisher and Richt have been with their programs for years. Richt, about a decade now, and Fisher approaching that. They haven't done anything, and their inherent flaws as coaches have been thoroughly documented, analysed, and broken down.

Not to mention that if we stand back and look at it from a facility, resources and history standpoint, Florida has more available to it and a better track record of finding success than the other schools.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JoakimWuerffel.

Answer 40

Fisher has been at FSU for 5 years. 2 seasons as head coach. That is "nearly a decade?"

I'd disagree that he hasn't done anything. In the past 3 seasons he's basically remade the roster and turned FSU one of the most talent laden teams in the country.

To say that Richt hasn't done anything is patently absurd also. He's won 3 SEC titles. Evidently winning the SEC isn't a big deal when Richt wins it.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by hardliner.

Answer 41

Richt doesn't have 3 SEC championships. He has 2 and both those years he actually lost to Florida.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by PacoGator19.

Answer 42

False. He has won the SEC twice, the last one occurring 6 years ago.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by BringBackBonner.

Answer 43

I actually think FSU will be a national contender this year. And although Jimbo is an average coach, he's proving to be very good recruiter.

I just enjoyed the "semi-competent" play on words.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JetSkiGator.

Answer 44

5 years is a long time. Chizik, Miles, Meyer, and Saban had all already won at least one title by their fifth year at their schools. If we're talking about purely as a head coach, Meyer and Chizik won in their 2nd years. Most Noles would agree that Jimbo was basically running the program under the figurehead of Bowden those latter years of Bobby's tenure, so there's no reason he shouldn't be doing a lot better than he is now, what with losing to Virginia at home for the first time ever and having zero ACC Championships to his name.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JoakimWuerffel.

Answer 45

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by alaskanseminole.

Answer 46

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by hardliner.

Answer 47

no, most noles would not agree with that.

Your attempt to take pot shots at FSU and FSU fans is bringing out your ignorance.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by travnole.

Answer 48

BringBackBonner Posted on 2/16/2012
Re: When are sportswriters going to learn about FSU????
Fair enough. In response to your observation, if UF won 8 next year, I'd be thrilled. I think the o/u should be set at 6.5.

hmmmm... seems to me, if as you predict, Florida loses 6-7 games, I am sure that would bring FSU's SOS down. shrug.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by Seminole.

Answer 49

There is no doubt that our recruiting rankings for the last ten years would indicate that we should have won more games. Whether that is a result of faulty recruiting ratings or poor coaching or injuries or "we wuz robbed" is a source of endless debate among the Seminole faithful. I think, however, that Jimbo has arrived at a point where some serious success (i.e., a BCS bowl) is almost an imperative. Exactly how close we are to that level is unclear...last year's results certainly didn't do much to establish us as an elite team.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by saenole.

Answer 50

Well, seeing as how I lived in Tallahassee for 10 years of my life before coming to UF, and all of my friends and friends' parents being FSU fans/alums/boosters, that's the impression I got because that's exactly what they said. They all claimed Bobby was old, needed to go, was just a figurehead, needed to hand it over to Jimbo, etc.

Either way, whatever may actually be the case, Florida State has a consistency that implies they should be better. They hired a new HC from inside, so there should be significantly fewer growing pains than an outside hire. In other words, their underachieving is a huge disappointment considering those factors and that they vastly outrecruit the rest of the ACC. Maryland, Virginia, Wake Forest, NC State, Boston College and the like shouldn't be giving Florida State fits, but they are, and that's sad.

Florida State losing to Virginia or Wake Forest is like Florida losing to Kentucky or Vanderbilt, except for the fact that we don't.

Originally posted on Gator Sports Forum by JoakimWuerffel.